Vengeance Producer Suite: Metrum. DrumSynth

[Cyforce]

Btw is there a demo available?

no, but there are 2 more soundsets available, at a just less than the cost of the dongle you need to run the thing

Not good

No testing - no buying... usually

There is also no demo-mp3 about the 2 expansions. Not good #2

[Compyfox]

and who the heck says, that it can't be used for other drumsounds, too?

I say that.

Seriously brok... for "layering" without the OSC, there is ton of other stuff available already. Even RM IV works fine for that.

I do have to admit though, that I like the OSC pitch courve concept. Though doesn't Waldorf Attack has a similar thing in it's Synthesis core?

So new users opinions don't count?

Oh yes, they do. It's just a bit strange that it's so uber-positive and massively defending in terms of the plugin. This then turns into "you're wrong" comments, like I also got from you.

Nothing to say against that, everyone has their own personal opinion. But this is a webboard where a lot of people discuss a certain creation, if it's worth to them, what the alternatives are, where it might be copied from (concept), etc. And that makes your postings definitely suspicious.

This might sound like harsh critism, but it is also helping in some sort of way. In case of Nexus back in the day for example, all the hating and flaming did something all right: promotion, since the name "Nexus" and "Vengeance" wasn't forgotten - it was discussed about.

Which is the very same that we are doing here.

Denial is a sad place to live.

Personally I'm not denying that this thing might be just the killer application for certain users. But in my case, it's nothing special and dissapointing to see it's "sample content" (except for the gated reverb tails maybe), since it really sounds, to me(!), like it's taken from the first two VEC disks, which you can then continue editing.

You have to admit, that a technique like that can already be pulled off with other tools, only that "Metrum" unifies the workflow a bit, and makes stuff simpler. Then again, like I said before, it's nothing that can't be done already.

I guess the only thing I can give on the way is:
- grab a Syncrosoft key
- demo it
- if you like it, buy it
- if not, edit away with what you already have and be happy

You now have some guidelines, the rest is up to your creativity.

[loachm]

i haven't tested it yet, but if it does what it says, this could be the end of my search to creativeley build my bassdrums. and who the heck says, that it can't be used for other drumsounds, too?

...that's an interesting statement. As I really value your opinion - would you mind explaining what you think this thing does better than an ordinary sample with a decent drum sample library? I'm really lost here as I don't seem to get the concept of Metrum...

[Nokenoku]

I wonder on which drugs the Vengeance guys were, when they set the price.
For 50€ I might have been worth a consideration .. but 150€, no way!

[loachm]

I do have to admit though, that I like the OSC pitch courve concept.

...I guess, Absynth is still more precise here - using it with samples in this regard for years...

[Rottweiler]

i haven't tested it yet, but if it does what it says, this could be the end of my search to creativeley build my bassdrums. and who the heck says, that it can't be used for other drumsounds, too?

...that's an interesting statement. As I really value your opinion - would you mind explaining what you think this thing does better than an ordinary sample with a decent drum sample library? I'm really lost here as I don't seem to get the concept of Metrum...

It IS made by VENGEANCE, mudafuka, you ought to run and buy it!

Ps: still waiting for the Deadmau5 Kickdrum Attack VST!

[Compyfox]

...I guess, Absynth is still more precise here - using it with samples in this regard for years...

I don't use Absynth, I only have RM IV, Waldorf Attack and <you name it> (Synth1, Discovery, z3ta). I try to keep it simple however...

[Rottweiler]

I wonder on which drugs the Vengeance guys are

Probably cocaine, and i fixed that for you.

[BASSDRIVE]

What a piece of shit plugin.

Kick samples with snares, claps and cymbals embedded in them. SUCKS!






I'd be more delighted if they made a pure WHITE NOISE Generator VSTi.

[Kriminal]

What a piece of shit plugin.

Kick samples with snares, claps and cymbals embedded in them. SUCKS!

well, its quite hard to edit out those other sounds from the original source

[cyphersuit]

i haven't tested it yet, but if it does what it says, this could be the end of my search to creativeley build my bassdrums. and who the heck says, that it can't be used for other drumsounds, too?

...that's an interesting statement. As I really value your opinion - would you mind explaining what you think this thing does better than an ordinary sample with a decent drum sample library? I'm really lost here as I don't seem to get the concept of Metrum...

will buy metrum tonight, so here is why i want it:

- remember when you are not satisfied with your bassdrum? i hate having to search for a new one and replace them.
with metrum i can change the bassdrum for the whole song with 1 click. i can audition all bassdrums i have this way with every song. -> LOVE THAT

- then you can play them tonal, i couldnt do that before.

- randomize is cool

- the ability to adjust each sample i have especially for my track - ME WANT

Honestly, that's enough for me to buy it. Hope it works with Sonar.

[robogone]

What a piece of shit plugin.

Kick samples with snares, claps and cymbals embedded in them. SUCKS!

well, its quite hard to edit out those other sounds from the original source

What is teh best VST for editing them out?

[Cyforce]

i haven't tested it yet, but if it does what it says, this could be the end of my search to creativeley build my bassdrums. and who the heck says, that it can't be used for other drumsounds, too?

...that's an interesting statement. As I really value your opinion - would you mind explaining what you think this thing does better than an ordinary sample with a decent drum sample library? I'm really lost here as I don't seem to get the concept of Metrum...

will buy metrum tonight, so here is why i want it:

- remember when you are not satisfied with your bassdrum? i hate having to search for a new one and replace them.
with metrum i can change the bassdrum for the whole song with 1 click. i can audition all bassdrums i have this way with every song. -> LOVE THAT

- then you can play them tonal, i couldnt do that before.

- randomize is cool

- the ability to adjust each sample i have especially for my track - ME WANT

Honestly, that's enough for me to buy it. Hope it works with Sonar.

-i everytime satisfied with my kicks, i must only search the right one, and this takes normally 1-4 minutes - defintiv faster than building a new in metrum

-i can build also on the normal way very fast a tonal/nustyle kick - and based on the normal way to build they will sounds better, because i can edit every layer till the maximum - (like my dr.blub tutorial @ v-forum^^)

- yes cool, but most times comes there only strange things out(normally in synths for examples)





What i personally think, what the advantages are:
- for newbies easy to use
- fast easy pimping of own kicks
- easy gated-kick made-possibility
- the "macro-controllers" - good for wild kick-modulation-drives


But... for guys, which takes much love in her kicks, normal audio-track + fx or battery will be still the better choice.

Btw did you also buy the expansions? If yes, how are they? Because the is no demo-mp3 of them

[brok landers]

Guys? RELAX

Before this ends in a big war-topic

on a vengeance or refx topic? you still don't seem to know kvr.
for a lot of users here, vengeance/refx products, or for that matter, products leaning towards the tarnce/hypersaw-techno thingie and at the same time claim to be "professional", are a red flag per se and will ever be, based on no real ground whatsoever. well, kids these days ...

[brok landers]

edit: wtf? double post ...