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Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:33 pm

justin3am wrote:Any thoughts on this? I figure I may end up with an amp head and two speaker cabs (with a woofer and horn each) instead of a combo cabinet but I'm aiming for something all-in-one.

This is probably a horrible idea but maybe you could wire the speakers out of phase?

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:44 pm

NEKRO.MACHINE wrote:Yep have a good one also my friends
May this one be good to you all

Happy New Years, guys! It's been fun closing out the year with all this guitar talk on a software forum!

btw, Dean, do check out a Framus Dragon in 2011. That would be my amp if I still played metal.

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:54 pm

Uncle E wrote:
susiwong wrote:a modded Blue Angel
How did you mod your Blue Angel? I'd love to have the reverb footswitch simultaneously change the fat/bright switch and defeat the mid pot, given how much the mid affects the saturation. I'd also like to make the effects switchable to series, just so a master volume can be inserted there.

btw, I changed V1 and V2 to 5751's which tightened up the feel, made the amp less noisy, and provided a more useful range to the volume control. I also changed V5 to a 12AT7 which dropped the overall volume and further tightened up the feel. The amp now reminds me of an 18W Marshall when driven yet it can still sound like a Super Reverb when the bright switch is on and the mids are dropped.

Similar thing you did, maybe modding is too big a word.
Found the recipe in a forum.
V1 - 12AX7
V2 - 12AY7
V3 - 12AT7
V4 - 12AX7
V5 - 12AT7
All TAD afair, same as all power tubes.
The icing on the cake was a pair of unbranded NOS 6V6 that sound incredible, unfortunately my Deluxe Reverb needed them even more, what can you do ?

Those were the last, and they weren't cheap.
I'll try 6L6s in the Angel one of these days.
Your description is spot on, btw !
A (buffered ?) LoZ volume pedal in the loop (see below) will work as MV, since you have the blend control.
Remote switching of the boost / mid pot is not trivial due to the extreme level jumps.
I set mine for chimey clean and use a good OD or two in front.

The beauty of the Classic 50 (212 here) is its "interactivity", I played countless gigs with only a 25k volume pedal and a delay, both in the loop, and an EC style active Strat - guitar controls tone and drive, pedal controls volume - everything at your fingertips, sounds like a million $.

With a passive guitar a Klon or Horny,

, Honey Bee work similar, you gotta get used to not running the guitar full open though - like in the old days.
This setup is remarkably versatile in terms of stage volume, too - anything between a bar with 20 people and a smaller open air stage works great.
For really big stages adding a 1960 always did the trick.

All that for modern country / country rock, so I often needed really clean tones.

Interesting about that Marshall clone, Jubilees are nice, but importing to Europe might prove difficult due to voltages.
I'll keep an eye open for a late 70s 2203, they're still affordable if you can wait a bit - would make a nice companion to my beloved '76 50W Lead.

All the best for 2011, btw - as usual, you're late !

Cheers,
susiwong

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:32 am

susiwong wrote:Found the recipe in a forum.
V1 - 12AX7
V2 - 12AY7
V3 - 12AT7
V4 - 12AX7
V5 - 12AT7

Cool, I'll try out that 12AY7! Try swapping a 12AX7 back in V3, I personally found a 12AT7 there to kill the feel (although this may affect you less since you've got that 12AX7 in V1).

The icing on the cake was a pair of unbranded NOS 6V6 that sound incredible, unfortunately my Deluxe Reverb needed them even more, what can you do ?

I tried JJ 6V6S's in hopes of getting a more 6L6 type of sound but didn't find them to sound much different from the stock Mesa Boogie tubes. Do you know of any other low voltage tube that might fit there? Something like this might be good info for Hink, too, since the Rebel felt to me like it's biased cold. Come to think of it, a lot of my complaints about Egnater amps could possibly be solved with hotter biasing.

I'll try 6L6s in the Angel one of these days.

You've probably seen these already:

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/archive/inde ... 52593.html

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/amp-central- ... angel.html

http://forum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1604

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/archiv ... 81933.html

Interesting about that Marshall clone, Jubilees are nice, but importing to Europe might prove difficult due to voltages.

Even though switchable voltage isn't a problem, you definitely shouldn't wait on me. I was just sharing because it's something fun I'm working on, it'll probably be 2012 before we get these into regular production.

A belated happy new year to you!

It's better for me to get it out now, anyway, given I'll be too trunk to dweet 8 hours from now.

dubbelQ · Post by **dubbelQ** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:53 am

Hink wrote:btw this is all vandal's fault, it's so 'real' feeling and sounding it got me back to wanting more amps. I was forced to sell my little blues jr so I need this...next up after this?

Doesn't count. Its not a amp.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:12 am

Hanglow · Post by **Hanglow** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:04 am

Uncle E wrote:
Hanglow wrote:Also has anyone tried the Egnater Tweaker?
It's my favorite Egnater so far. It feels far more like a vintage amp than any other Egnater I've ever used (including my own TOL100, which is stiff as a board) and the character switch sounds legit and has a massive impact on the tone. I've got very high hopes for the Tweaker 40:

http://www.premierguitar.com/Video/2010 ... _Demo.aspx

think I've found my new years resolution then - to test drive the Tweaker

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:21 am

Hanglow wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
Hanglow wrote:Also has anyone tried the Egnater Tweaker?
It's my favorite Egnater so far. It feels far more like a vintage amp than any other Egnater I've ever used (including my own TOL100, which is stiff as a board) and the character switch sounds legit and has a massive impact on the tone. I've got very high hopes for the Tweaker 40:

http://www.premierguitar.com/Video/2010 ... _Demo.aspx
think I've found my new years resolution then - to test drive the Tweaker

The rebel 20 is very good, the tweaker has a gain boost and such plus only el84s I believe (correct me if I'm wrong Eric)..the rebel gives you a choice between el84's and 6v6 power tubes (a blend control which is cool). The Rebel has an fx loop so I also have a Marshall 9000 pre-amp (all tube) that I can run direct into the power amp in the egnater...this is the first time in 15 years I have been completely satisfied with the Marshall tone from the 9000. Previously I did well with it if I Used the clean or crunch channel but the lead was overkill...now the lead is like a hot-rodded Marshall and still the other two channels are even better. Either susiwong or Dean mentioned the clean and crunch channels on the marshall are very 800ish.

@Eric, really? A tweaker 40 is coming out? Frankly I dont see it, with tube amps unless you're playing big shows more than 25 watts is too much imo. My boogie sob is the second sob I have owned (60/100 watt head). On the half power I never turned either to ten and frankly that's because I was afraid. Once we use to jam in a cabin that was roughly 12x15 feet, once I stepped outside (so didn't everyone else) and had it to 8 and I thought the cabin was going to explode, through the crack in the door my cable provided enough air was coming out so strong it was blowing my hair.

I'll never buy above 30 watts for tube amps again I dont think, in fact you and me need to talk about a 1x12 as we did in a pm. I like the idea of the jet city, I have my 4x12 in my closet mic'd but tbh I disconnected three of the speakers because even though my neighbor doesn't hear it I still worry...it sounds the balls. I have only tried it with an sm 57, I'll try my cousin's condenser (that you sell) next week.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:25 am

susiwong wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
susiwong wrote:a modded Blue Angel
How did you mod your Blue Angel? I'd love to have the reverb footswitch simultaneously change the fat/bright switch and defeat the mid pot, given how much the mid affects the saturation. I'd also like to make the effects switchable to series, just so a master volume can be inserted there.

btw, I changed V1 and V2 to 5751's which tightened up the feel, made the amp less noisy, and provided a more useful range to the volume control. I also changed V5 to a 12AT7 which dropped the overall volume and further tightened up the feel. The amp now reminds me of an 18W Marshall when driven yet it can still sound like a Super Reverb when the bright switch is on and the mids are dropped.
Similar thing you did, maybe modding is too big a word.
Found the recipe in a forum.
V1 - 12AX7
V2 - 12AY7
V3 - 12AT7
V4 - 12AX7
V5 - 12AT7
All TAD afair, same as all power tubes.
The icing on the cake was a pair of unbranded NOS 6V6 that sound incredible, unfortunately my Deluxe Reverb needed them even more, what can you do ?
Those were the last, and they weren't cheap.
I'll try 6L6s in the Angel one of these days.
Your description is spot on, btw !
A (buffered ?) LoZ volume pedal in the loop (see below) will work as MV, since you have the blend control.
Remote switching of the boost / mid pot is not trivial due to the extreme level jumps.
I set mine for chimey clean and use a good OD or two in front.

The beauty of the Classic 50 (212 here) is its "interactivity", I played countless gigs with only a 25k volume pedal and a delay, both in the loop, and an EC style active Strat - guitar controls tone and drive, pedal controls volume - everything at your fingertips, sounds like a million $.
With a passive guitar a Klon or Horny, , Honey Bee work similar, you gotta get used to not running the guitar full open though - like in the old days.
This setup is remarkably versatile in terms of stage volume, too - anything between a bar with 20 people and a smaller open air stage works great.
For really big stages adding a 1960 always did the trick.
All that for modern country / country rock, so I often needed really clean tones.

Interesting about that Marshall clone, Jubilees are nice, but importing to Europe might prove difficult due to voltages.
I'll keep an eye open for a late 70s 2203, they're still affordable if you can wait a bit - would make a nice companion to my beloved '76 50W Lead.

All the best for 2011, btw - as usual, you're late !
Cheers,
susiwong

susi, that Marshall would do great with the old cali hotrod

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:45 am

Hink wrote:The rebel 20 is very good, the tweaker has a gain boost and such plus only el84s I believe (correct me if I'm wrong Eric)

6V6's which is a little cooler since someone could install EL84's (via Yellowjackets). There's no way to mix them, though, like with your Rebel.

@Eric, really? A tweaker 40 is coming out? Frankly I dont see it, with tube amps unless you're playing big shows more than 25 watts is too much imo.

40 watts is necessary for clean tones. For example, when playing clean, I have to set the Blue Angel to 38 watts as it won't project over a drummer at its 15 watts setting. Also, the Tweaker 40 can probably be biased down to work with 6V6's, which should drop it down to around 22 watts, or have Yellowjackets installed to drop it down to around 15 watts. Anyway, the best part about the Tweaker 40 is channel switching!

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:10 am

Uncle E wrote:
Hink wrote:The rebel 20 is very good, the tweaker has a gain boost and such plus only el84s I believe (correct me if I'm wrong Eric)
6V6's which is a little cooler since someone could install EL84's (via Yellowjackets). There's no way to mix them, though, like with your Rebel.

@Eric, really? A tweaker 40 is coming out? Frankly I dont see it, with tube amps unless you're playing big shows more than 25 watts is too much imo.
40 watts is necessary for clean tones. For example, when playing clean, I have to set the Blue Angel to 38 watts as it won't project over a drummer at its 15 watts setting. Also, the Tweaker 40 can probably be biased down to work with 6V6's, which should drop it down to around 22 watts, or have Yellowjackets installed to drop it down to around 15 watts. Anyway, the best part about the Tweaker 40 is channel switching!

that sounds cool, however it's doubtful I'll ever play live again (not as out of the picture as it was though due to an interesting development in the last two days). The truth is the rebel without the weber is too loud in here at about 7 o'clock on the master and on 1 watt. Anyhow, if needed the Boogie will do clean pretty well if going through the second channel (no channel switching, channel one is two drives cascaded and channel two is a separate input and only the second drive).

Does the tweaker 40 have a loop?

Also are you guys carrying the jet city deadbox cab?

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:46 am

Hink wrote:susi, that Marshall would do great with the old cali hotrod

not in a million years !

Paid my tech well to un-mod it back to original specs as soon as I got it.
Including a complete service, caps and stuff.
It had been "improved" by a certain Mr.Diezel back in the 80s - wired the inputs in series and similar nonsense - sounded like a bandpassed fart, admittely with immense sustain, which may or may not be a good thing, depending on aroma and the company you're in.

Now you plug in a good Les Paul, turn it up a little above half and all the Free, Cream or vintage Gibbons are right there, no guesswork necessary.

Add a Klon and roll down the guitar some - instant Haynes or Grissom.

I'm using a 412 with low-efficiency Celestions, it's loud but not unreasonably so.
At least I never heard the neighbours complain when I play.

Cheers,
susiwong

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:49 am

susiwong wrote: sounded like a bandpassed fart

Wow, just the sound I'm looking for!

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:00 am

Eric,
thanks for the links !
Seen some before, not all.
Instant pdf.

Check out this one :
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... p?t=286298
and here :
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... p?t=316863
That's what I based my tube experiments on.
John Philips, ex guitar player for the Mamas and Papas, knows a thing or two about amps and is a big Blue Angel fan.
My tech said go ahead, so ...

No guarantees, but it sure works for me.
Ymmv,
susiwong

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:09 am

hibidy wrote:
susiwong wrote: sounded like a bandpassed fart
Wow, just the sound I'm looking for!

sssshhh ...

Don't tell anybody, but this sound dates back to happier days, before Diezel-molested Marshalls came upon mankind.

Many roads lead to Rome, even unplugged ones ...

To be fair, I'm not bashing Diezel's current work, but this one probably was an early experiment.

Cheers,
susiwong

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