Get off my lawn!

[Chuck E. Jesus]

And, you're probably right about Fleetwood Mac, considering only:
Second Hand News"
"The Chain"
"Don't Stop"
"Dreams"
"Rhiannon"
"Gypsy"
"Never Going Back Again"
"Landslide"
"Tusk"
"Sara"
"Hold Me"
"You Make Loving Fun" and "Go Your Own Way" were all released in 1982, nah...

either i am not getting your point or you need to check your facts...

[Chuck E. Jesus]

that's Dale Bozzio from Missing Persons. Another band that ruined today's music..

no, just helped ruin pop music in the 80's...i was there, it was pretty bad...

[hibidy]

Well, for me I'm just sick of hearing about him. I can't even watch sports without him being all over so forget about if I like that stuff or not, it fits perfectly into the point I was making about overexposure. He INFESTS this planet, more so than m n m's, sniff doody doo, puff diddy money p bag, or maybe even lady gaga . Maybe not as bad as that rihanna, she's pretty high on the infestation chart. Even when I go to look up guitar players his ugly mug infests as I guess he plays guitar too?


Of course I shouldn't complain, he's better than kantya worst.

[Chuck E. Jesus]

i agree some things can end up being unavoidable, but i seem to have figured out a way to avoid all that stuff...

[tapper mike]

I'm still waiting for the how 80's music was oppressive. And how it wrecked todays' music. Todays music is responsible for it's own mess as are it's supporters or lack thereof. You don't like something... don't support it and move on. Rather then being the Rebecca Black hater pawn that propels her foreward.

[rifftrax]

I want you to really think about this: How do you get an inventive artist out of someone who just does what Deadmau5 told him to do? I'm gonna be Mr.Ethics for you again, and ask how can someone like that be considered an artist at all.

Everyone has people they look up to. Every good artist has pupils, etc. How many artists are an understudy to no-one at all? Do you know how many people who ever go anywhere are completely and I mean utterly and totally self-taught in terms of a music education? Very few to zero.

You interpretation of an artist is skewed. I don't care if the inspiration for an awesome painting is God himself vs. a crazy porn fetish. If the painting is good then I'm going to recognize that. All you're doing is proving you are completely unable to separate the person from the art, which is kind of unfortunate because you'll always be a slave to the backstory. That inherently limits your ability to understand anything deeper of the content of the music itself (and I'm not just talking about lyrics).

You're too wrapped up in history to appreciate what the art can mean to an individual. No-one said "this is the way you have to listen to this piece of music to truly hear what it actually is". Who decides that? Bullshit. No-one but the listener determines what they really hear.

Well, I should have expected that. So, you counted all those genres, and I appreciate that. But you do realize I asked you to name off 24 genres, and you gave me a comprehensive list of hip-hop genres that suggests only 40 even exist? You've really illustrated your point colorfully.

You asked for a list, so I gave you a legitmate one. Guess that's not good enough? Do you want me to go rewrite history while I'm at it to appease what you're looking for?

By the way... what's the difference between freestyle music and freestyle rap? Hip pop and pop rap? Mafioso and gangsta?

Depends on who you ask. What's the difference between soda, pop and cola?

It's relevant in a topic about whether music is stagnant or not. Not every good artist needs to be a revolution but you should be able to come up with 12 dudes in a lively genre. Oh, and I like how much you're protesting this one.

Right, because there is some overarching secret Illuminati delegation determining the course of music itself. Especially now that the old big label era is winding down and the internet has allowed anyone to find pretty much anything they could ever imagine music-wise. Makes total sense. Protesting what? What are you even talking about?

Haha, I'm just a crazy boy thinking our viewpoints oppose each other, and that you're on the side suggesting everything is okay.

No, you're actually totally right. The very fabric of the music space-time continuum is at grave risk and must be rescued by the freshest funkiest infusion of brave anti-counter-culture creative juice squeezed this side of the Mississippi. No but seriously though unless there is a revolution music as we know it may well collapse without warning.

That's not quite the same thing as just blurting out "dubstep" every time there's an open-ended music discussion.

Of course, because my last post was filled with arbitrary words and no real syntax or structure. Again, what the hell are you talking about?

I'm not gonna call you a sucker. But your inexperience shows when you call Skrillz "a drastically different style of musical work," and parroting off the word "dubstep" everywhere you walk illustrates your naivete.

Yup, look at me. I know virtually nothing about music, audio engineering, the music industry, music history or any of that. I should probably get on that.

There's way more alright music available now. There really aren't way more atom-smashing new genres and artists like there were in the beginning of the '80s. The '80s wrecked, and I like to think I wouldn't have wasted them like it looks you have.

I wasted the 80's? What in God's name does that even mean? Seriously I'm pretty sure there is zero context in which what you just said could ever make an ounce of sense.

Person 1: "Hey you asshole!"
Person 2: "Huh? Wha..."
Person 1: "You're that f**k who wasted the fuckin' 80's bro!!"
Person 2: "Aw shit back off dude, it was all a misunderstandin.."
Person 1: "You're going down BRO"
Person 2: <runs like hell>

They dominated. Uhh... they were more good.

I like the closing diatribe based on me saying the '80s were a big oppressive force, when everything I actually said was the opposite of that. Amazing writing. Killer comprehension. I dug it.

Maybe you should work on being a little bit more cohesive because right now your thoughts are all over the flipping map. 80's are an oppressive force? What like the 80's were a group of insurgents trained by green berets? I mean seriously, your thoughts could be a little more focused. Maybe a lot more.

I'll get over myself when you stop dismissing everyone with a complaint with: "YOU JUST GOTTA DIG DEEPER."

Nope, you're right. Everything sucks, hip-hop and the 80's may or may not be responsible for everything sucking and throwing away all our computers and synthesizers is the only way to save music as we know it. There, I took a wild stab as to what the hell you're trying to say here because I sure am confused as to what in the world your point could possibly be.

[hibidy]

Rebecca black is PERFECT for hate

With one video every single crusty parody was shoved right down the worlds throat. I had forgotten about her TM, thanks for reminding me

[Vintage73]

[hibidy]

I know

[tapper mike]

And that is why I would have loved to be her producer. Hate propels the industry.

[SadPuppyBlues]

Everyone has people they look up to. Every good artist has pupils, etc. How many artists are an understudy to no-one at all? Do you know how many people who ever go anywhere are completely and I mean utterly and totally self-taught in terms of a music education? Very few to zero.

False dichotomy.

The rest of your rant about my obsession with history hinges on this. It's just completely irrelevant because not everything that avoids having such an extreme lack of authorship is the complete opposite. There are some things I wish I could respond to, like separating the person from the art, the ability to talk about subjective things, having music that's informed by other peoples' (I think it's a good thing, just to make that clear), but this argument is already too convoluted for that.

So I'm going to stick with the idea that the lack of one extreme doesn't imply the presence of the opposite.

Guess that's not good enough? Do you want me to go rewrite history while I'm at it to appease what you're looking for?

It's a pretty good list. I think it sums up most of the significant hip hop genres out there, along with a couple ehh debatably tacked-on guys.

I guess it was just a botched attempt on my part at showing how few genres there are in Hip-Hop. I made the mistake of asking someone to list something over the internet, where they can just "list of hip hop genres" and fish absolutely everything up. I probably shouldn't have went about it as dickishly, and it backfired. You think forty genres is a metric shit-ton, I disagree.

What's the difference between soda, pop and cola?

Well, cola is a subset of soda that uses kola nut.

The difference between gangsta and mafioso is exactly the difference between soda and pop, though.

Right, because there is some overarching secret Illuminati delegation determining the course of music itself.

What? I was saying that not everything good has to be a genre-changer, but that there should be at least a few in a genre that's got some movement in it. Where on earth is an idea that someone is orchestrating whether a genre is stagnating or not even remotely implied? I can't even begin to interpret what you're trying to say here.

Protesting what?

Protesting the challenge for you to name me 12 guys that are shaking things up.

I stand by the idea that a genre that's progressing should have at least a dozen acts that are moving things around, and I don't see how it's so ridiculous to you.

No, you're actually totally right. The very fabric of the music space-time continuum is at grave risk and must be rescued by the freshest funkiest infusion of brave anti-counter-culture creative juice squeezed this side of the Mississippi. No but seriously though unless there is a revolution music as we know it may well collapse without warning. :Laughing:

This was a response to me saying that you are, in fact, defending a genre / group of genres. I have NO IDEA what led you to think any of what you said was related whatsoever. It's like I'm talking to a bowl of alphabet soup.

And I had just said, immediately before what you are responding to here, that not every artist has to be a revolution in music.

Yup, look at me. I know virtually nothing about music, audio engineering, the music industry, music history or any of that. I should probably get on that.

The fact that you're ready to call something "drastically different,' because, it seems, there hasn't been anything like it blasted all over the radio, does paint you as someone pretty unfamiliar with how trends in music actually work. Maybe you know something about the industry, history, and audio engineering. Doesn't mean you aren't totally naive in this respect.

I wasted the 80's?

For yourself, yeah, if you're unaware of how humongous they were.

Maybe you should work on being a little bit more cohesive because right now your thoughts are all over the flipping map. 80's are an oppressive force?

I'm gonna quote myself here:

I like the closing diatribe based on me saying the '80s were a big oppressive force, when everything I actually said was the opposite of that.

Your diatribe was about me saying something that I did not say.

Nope, you're right. Everything sucks...

There you go with those real, legit, and relevant dichotomies.

Person 1: Music good. Music better than ever has been.
Person 2: Well, it's alright, but in a lot of important ways we're in a slump.
Person 1: Him think music bad. You need dig deeper.
person 2: That's not what I said, though.
Person 1: <points> Him flip flopping. Him need more focus.

[Chuck E. Jesus]

PERFECT for hate

don't matter how much shit i hate, i never get a fan club

[rifftrax]

Person 1: Music good. Music better than ever has been.
Person 2: Well, it's alright, but in a lot of important ways we're in a slump.
Person 1: Him think music bad. You need dig deeper.
person 2: That's not what I said, though.
Person 1: <points> Him flip flopping. Him need more focus.

Since this is the crux of what you're arguing, I'll just respond to this. First off your previous posts make the situation of "music as we know it" seem infinitely worse than "in a lot of important ways we're in a slump". Let's go back to one of your earlier key posts:

Those people are soul-depleted, sterilized abortions of Babyface, who all had the history of the R&B they came from callously wiped. Those people are why R&B hasn't really changed since New Jack Swing. Two decades of this bullshit is exactly why, now that the hood can make their own music without majors cherry picking over them and dictating how things will come out, only WANT to make shit like this. Because their identity was stolen, bastardized, and handed back to them for so long, they don't know anything else. And you're serious about their insane talent.

That's a little more bleak than "it's alright". You're essentially declaring a full-on holocaust of music (at least for r&b) and putting Babyface up as Jesus Christ himself. What do you think about Usher then who was one of the LaFace's original signed artists? I guess he's the prodigal in that equation? The one responsible for pissing away the glorious bounty of the Babyface r&b era?

What are you some washed up industry exec who didn't get enough of a free cocaine fix during the glory days? I'm not sure what your deal is but there's something going on with you. R&B has changed since the early 80's bud. No-one is using TR808 cowbells, obnoxious overblown vinyl scratching noises, raw orchestral hits and brass bleats anymore for one. Also, tons of modern hip-hop actually incorporates rather complex melodic and harmonic structures instead of relying on some ever repeating fumbling fretless bass line thrown on 1/2" tape for extra grit. How much new jack swing used movie-caliber orchestral strings? If you can't tell the different between hip-hop now and hip-hop of twenty years ago then I really can't help you honestly.

Good luck with that incredible apparently incurable bias of yours.

[tapper mike]

PERFECT for hate

don't matter how much shit i hate, i never get a fan club

A heart is not judged by how much you love; but by how much you are loved by others

[vespers75]

PERFECT for hate

don't matter how much shit i hate, i never get a fan club

Me no get fan club either