Plugin formats? This is the end...

[jonahs]

Don't forget UAD. Reaktor standalone. Or any external hardware ever. Turbosynth! You could make music before VSTs.

Most hosts/DAWs have great built in plugins, can do almost anything and are dirt cheap.

Moving audio between DAWs should be improved, plugin in integration should be improved, meta-plugins/recall/note taking/dummy plugins should be improved. One master plugin format won't help.

Audiobus is the most exciting development I've seen. http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2012/ ... teresting/

A meta-router to handle all the audio and MIDI between apps on an OS level? This is how "plugins" should work.

I think the only thing that Devs have to worry about is if they make a good product, with good marketing. Live sold pretty well before it did MIDI.

[tony tony chopper]

while vst3 did do some things, it was totally ignorant of a lot of others. one step forward and two steps back of course.

are you talking about something else than MIDI?

[standalone]

VST3 is a great example, Thanks AD!

Yeah!, you can always count on AD to crush Steinberg.

what else can you expect from the Yamaha corporation? Feeding the poor??

No, giving quality jobs to more than 50.000 people during 125 years. And I mean real, quality, for-life jobs, not the nefarious crap that you can find in the USA.

[tapper mike]

I realize I'm jumping back a few pages here but....


I'll say this about cubase vst.....FLASH

Before macromedia was aquired by adobe they released sdk's so anyone could build a flash authoring program. Flash was consistent and reliable acrozz all browsers and operating system. Anyone even Apple could build thier own applications for flash. Both Apple and MS hated it and tried to complete/replace it. Yes flash had standards same with vst. There is a plus side when you have one source making all the rules and everyone having to obey them rather then what we've experienced with html.
Now maybe if apple actually tried to support .dll and vst technology it would work in apple computers. Funny MS Office works on a mac and that's packed with .dll's But hey maybe apple doesn't like its users as much as it's users like apple.



I'll also say this about win8 ported to arm. Serious developers are screwed. http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2 ... rified.ars

Bringing this back full circle to daw support. Cakewalk owned by Roland...Need I say more.

What I suspect will happen is that NI and the like will develop thier own daws and give the daw away when you buy something like.....mmm Komplete

[HunterKiller]

i think vst3 was the pet project of a specific programmer. it isn't entirely his fault though, as my inside information includes design by committee, fools leading the ignorant and other such cliches.

the real problem is that the arguments were going on between different groups, none of which were qualified. you have the PHB types, nearly-extinct dinosaur c programmers, code-monkeys, "artists" who poke their noses into technical business and try to make it easy for their types to understand. then you have to also factor in all the outside influences including existing software authors/companies, members on the vst mailing list and so on.

the first thing you hear in this type of situation is "every solution involves compromise". that's simply not true. every poor solution involves compromise - in other words the solutions which take the least effort. when this is said, they're including "oh jeez, i'll have to do work?" as a compromise.

...and that's what you get.

R&D to the modern business person seems like insanity. you invest large sums of capital into projects that may lead to zero profit. the only potential for profits are in the form of long-term technology developments, opening up avenues leading to new products which can then produce real capital profits.

another extremely significant problem is that people keep their heads down. lets say there is a problem you notice - if you poke your head up and point that problem out, it tends to either be ignored, or it becomes your responsibility. nay-sayers and pessimists are labeled as such - not as wise and cautious, but seen only as a source of doom-and-gloom.

the concept of long-term sustainability, cooperation and development simply doesn't exist in that consciousness.

Enlightened post!

[justin3am]

Now maybe if apple actually tried to support .dll and vst technology it would work in apple computers. Funny MS Office works on a mac and that's packed with .dll's But hey maybe apple doesn't like its users as much as it's users like apple.

VSTs work well in OSX (they just use a .vst extention, not .dll) and Office for OSX doesn't use .dll files.
I don't 'like' any computer company... I tolerate them because they make the tools I use. Now if they gave me free computers and shit on my birthday, I might love them.

[tony tony chopper]

why would they shit on your birthday?

[SoundSonicTeam]

Never understood why Daws can't work together. Would be great if the major ones like logic, cubase, ableton and reason could be intergrated in some way

[sellyoursoul]

Moving audio between DAWs should be improved, plugin in integration should be improved, meta-plugins/recall/note taking/dummy plugins should be improved. One master plugin format won't help.

Audiobus is the most exciting development I've seen. http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2012/ ... teresting/

A meta-router to handle all the audio and MIDI between apps on an OS level? This is how "plugins" should work.

I think the only thing that Devs have to worry about is if they make a good product, with good marketing. Live sold pretty well before it did MIDI.

Something like that is the way forward, not more proprietary formats. But for now, I'm glad to see that Reason is at least getting the ability to use plugins from third party developers. I can't say that I'm going all Apple over it like some of the Reason users, but it is better than Props continuing to stand still on the issue.

[spaceman]

why would they shit on your birthday?

I was wondering as well.
To each their own of course

[justin3am]

why would they shit on your birthday?

Well, you know all that cake and ice cream goes right through you.

[justin3am]

why would they shit on your birthday?

I was wondering as well.
To each their own of course

Here in America, we use commas when we feel like it. You gotta problem wit dat?

[highkoo]

why would they shit on your birthday?

Ive heard sometimes wives get that way.

[justin3am]

why would they shit on your birthday?

Ive heard sometimes wives get that way.

Only when I ask her to.

[VitaminD]

What I'm really wondering is when we'll see significant improvements to the MIDI format.. or some other control format that will talk to our hardware.. 128 steps of resolution/values is pitiful!

It's not the speficication's fault, there's already a HD-Protocol MIDI draft standard.

Development of a version of MIDI for new products which is fully backward compatible is now under discussion in the MMA. First announced as "HD-MIDI" in 2005 and tentatively called "HD Protocol" or "High-Definition Protocol" since 2008, this new standard would support modern high-speed transports and allow device discovery and enumeration, provide greater range and/or resolution in data values, increase the number of Channels and Controllers, support entirely new kinds of events, such as Direct Pitch in the Note message and a Note Update message, and at the same time decrease the complexity of messages.

The problem is one of uptake by vendors, both software and hardware.

And finally, 14-bit NRPN/RPN and CC MSB/LSB messages exist today. Again, too few vendors implement it.

Wonderful! Now we need a couple hardware manufacturers and/or DAW/sequencer developers to jump on board and get this train moving down the track...