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Arglebargle · Post by **Arglebargle** » Thu May 03, 2012 7:43 pm

People who don't carve their own violin from scratch are total frauds.

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Thu May 03, 2012 7:53 pm

Arglebargle wrote:People who don't carve their own violin from scratch are total frauds.

i say people who don't make their own tools to do the carving are frauds. Also you shuld grow the damn tree to get the wood. Don't go getting some tree someone else grew!

Arglebargle · Post by **Arglebargle** » Thu May 03, 2012 7:56 pm

ATS wrote:
Arglebargle wrote:People who don't carve their own violin from scratch are total frauds.
i say people who don't make their own tools to do the carving are frauds. Also you shuld grow the damn tree to get the wood. Don't go getting some tree someone else grew!

I agree. Any schmuck can use some tree that everyone else uses for everything. If you don't create brand new tree DNA to make your tools with, so you can carve a violin and play original music, preferably in a new molecular space that has never existed before, I don't want to hear your cookie cutter crap.

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Thu May 03, 2012 8:07 pm

shponglefan wrote: Presets can still sound different depending on how they are processed in a mix (EQ'd, etc), if they have FX applied to them, etc.

And I don't think anyone is ragging on anyone for doing sound design. But rather it's the attitude of people with this elitist view that using presets is "unoriginal". It's dumb because nobody else, esp. the average listener, cares. All that matters is whether the end result is good.

amen. NO listener cares whether it's a hardware synth, or a plugin; whether u used a drummer, or a drum machine.
the music moves you or...it doesn't.

this thread is making me laugh today (altho it could also be the meds...)

chiron2009 · Post by **chiron2009** » Thu May 03, 2012 8:31 pm

Okay... this thread has gone off-track from the original question, I only wanted to know individual opinions but it's going like this. :/ But anyways, I'll be getting Nexus 2 as I am pleased with what it has to offer from recently looking at the samples on their website, but like other people said - I will probably used it for layering purposes and creating my sounds with Harmor, 3Osc etc.

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Thu May 03, 2012 8:42 pm

just on topic for a second...

nexus2 is amazing for what it is. and the bottom line is, as always, what you do with it. bad ideas can't be saved by good sounds (or vice versa...or something).
get it, enjoy it's awesomeness, and make some awesome MUSIC with it...

Old Crab · Post by **Old Crab** » Fri May 04, 2012 12:17 am

chiron2009 wrote:Okay... this thread has gone off-track from the original question, I only wanted to know individual opinions but it's going like this. :/ But anyways, I'll be getting Nexus 2 as I am pleased with what it has to offer from recently looking at the samples on their website, but like other people said - I will probably used it for layering purposes and creating my sounds with Harmor, 3Osc etc.

It was a difficult decision for me to buy Nexus since it uses a dongle which I loathe. I even had buyers remorse while it was in the shipping process and I considered cancelling the order.

But when it arrived, I was completely thrilled with it. I now have no regrets whatsoever. The demos, while good, still don't do the actual sound justice imo.

Admiteddly, I'm a preset user, but I usually wind up tweaking quite a bit, and you can still do some tweaking in Nexus as well, at least you can modify the relative volume of the layers and of course change the ADSR, adjust the effects etc. It's just not for sound sculpting from the ground up.

I would advise you to listen carefully to the factory demo and also the various expansion sets.

Cheers

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri May 04, 2012 12:46 am

Just to go off topic again, I think it is hilarious that some people who mock preset users make and sell presets

That is pretty sad.

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Fri May 04, 2012 2:39 am

braj wrote:Just to go off topic again, I think it is hilarious that some people who mock preset users make and sell presets That is pretty sad.

Presets are a good starting point for tweaking. With romplers you're pretty limited. Some limitations are good for creativity, though.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Fri May 04, 2012 2:43 am

Arglebargle wrote:
ATS wrote:
Arglebargle wrote:People who don't carve their own violin from scratch are total frauds.
i say people who don't make their own tools to do the carving are frauds. Also you shuld grow the damn tree to get the wood. Don't go getting some tree someone else grew!
I agree. Any schmuck can use some tree that everyone else uses for everything. If you don't create brand new tree DNA to make your tools with, so you can carve a violin and play original music, preferably in a new molecular space that has never existed before, I don't want to hear your cookie cutter crap.

BTW...that tree DNA better be from some totally new substrates as well...none of that useless tree DNA that exist now...

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri May 04, 2012 3:01 am

izonin wrote:
braj wrote:Just to go off topic again, I think it is hilarious that some people who mock preset users make and sell presets That is pretty sad.
Presets are a good starting point for tweaking. With romplers you're pretty limited. Some limitations are good for creativity, though.

I think it really depends on the rompler. Omnisphere/Trilian for example could be called Romplers but the synth/arp/performance parts of them allow incredible cultivation of the sampled sounds. I haven't tried Nexus 2 and IMO it is just too expensive, I think that is the basic problem with it. I have Wusikstation and absolutely love it, but that admittedly has a lot to do with the $50 price tag

If Nexus were less expensive I'm sure it would have more fans.

payt69 · Post by **payt69** » Fri May 04, 2012 9:02 am

Ah yes the ole question of Nexus vs a real synth. To me it's expressed best this way:

Paint by numbers:

vs

Then again.. if you like the kinds of pictures you're getting with paint by numbers, then that's your thing. After all there are people who just need something to decorate their living room, as much as there are people who just need something to dance to on a dancefloor. Nothing wrong with that.

There will always be be people who invent new stuff. If enough people like this new thing, other people will want to make similar stuff.. so if you're smart, you're the one who provides 'the new flavour' in a ready to use package. And that's what Nexus does.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri May 04, 2012 9:04 am

I don't think that's fair at all, a great pianist doesn't make a piano but they sure as hell can paint an incredible picture with music. There are plenty of people twiddling knobs that don't even know what a 'chord' is

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri May 04, 2012 9:07 am

There is much more to music than sound design.

Richard_Synapse · Post by **Richard_Synapse** » Fri May 04, 2012 9:14 am

braj wrote:There is much more to music than sound design.

There's much more to sound design than music?

Is ReFX Nexus2 worth getting?