Used sales of reason are SO high, it is time for props to take notice - serious topic, LONG post

[myrna]

by the way: (1) they are swedish (maybe they don't realize their prices are fair in the rich Sweden but too high in other countries); (2) they let you resell their products with no fees at all, and they are very correct (at least in my case).

P.S.
The "pay what you like" thing about R6 was done only because we were angry with PH and did not want to pay extra 99€ for something we already owned. That is why they did it. Infact I gave them 2€ (more than enough).
They are 50 people.

[sheikh al Dudeilan]

and since i am not really a reason user i don't know how my opinion is looking but for what is worth i think they are far from being good fellas tryin to make for living by producing cool software..

+1

Dual core support was introduced in Reason 5...

In Reason 6.5, there's still NO decent EQ...

The list goes on...

[kmonkey]

That's exactly my point. Most of the threads where people are bitching about Reason boils down to an evaluation of their own wallet status, disguised as an evaluation of Reason. It's too much "I can't or won't spend this money, therefore Reason sucks". Lame.

It's lame to marginalize problem, not all of threads are bitching around price but even so most of these bitchin threads are generated because props promised discount/crossgrade thing in shop for people which already have SAME plugin in VST but on RE launch they pulled it out leaving people in anger to buy same thing all over again and not allowing them to resell it. Are you seriously not finding it weird that people having one piece of software have to pay full price all over again just to use it in another program?

[tetsuneko]

I do not see a significant "rats leaving a sinking ship" effect here.. People who have stopped using Reason years ago just decide to sell their licences right now as there is some momentum in the app again.

FWIW I don't really care about the RE EULA policies, UA have similar policies (you can't resell the stuff you bought)
and they are still doing business. What I see here are customers who are too stuck on their own consuming habits, and reject everything that differs from their cozy. already established consuming habits.

There are other ways to find tools that you actually like using than buying everything the day it gets released and then to re-sell it afterwards. They are called "demos", and RE's are demo'able, right? You don't have to buy something to know whether you'll use it or not.. Just burn those demos harder.

PS: I really like Reason 6.5 myself, and will buy it as soon as a good deal comes along. Do not see enough value in the product to go for full retail price though (already invested over 1000eur on my DAW of choice)

[Trakstar]

On the premise Ive owned it since version 3, and now Ill have to pay for individual bits and pieces to upgrade it instead of a new seasonal update with tons of stuff.

Yes, but it wouldn't be such an issue for you at all if those bits and pieces (which are optional btw) cost you $1 each, would it?

$1

More like $100 for each

[eXode]

I just think that it's about people trying Reason and then deciding that it's not for them. I mean, in theory, someone could have sold his copy of Reason 1 to 5 to someone who then upgraded to 6.5. and thought that "nah, it's not for me" and then sold it on.

[DHR53]

On another note... how about that Nektar controller for Reason! Expensive... Looks nice though and if it does what it says, that would be an interesting addition to make Reason a complete solution. Not that you can't use other controllers but looks totally focused on Reason. Nice. I think their new USB interface is also pretty slick but again rather expensive for the feature set. If I was going to focus on using Reason I'd have to have one of those Nektar's though.

[decalogue]

It's lame to marginalize problem, not all of threads are bitching around price but even so most of these bitchin threads are generated because props promised discount/crossgrade thing in shop for people which already have SAME plugin in VST but on RE launch they pulled it out leaving people in anger to buy same thing all over again and not allowing them to resell it. Are you seriously not finding it weird that people having one piece of software have to pay full price all over again just to use it in another program?

No, I don't find it weird that people would have to pay full price for a RE plugin. Not at all. On the contrary. I think it's reasonable and I seriously hope that RE's will actually cost more than VSTs.

Furthermore, I personally hope that Props start to smoke out all the people with thin wallets. These users are just a burden with their negative attitudes and constant demands, it's better to focus on the people who actually want to invest in the brand and fashion of Reason as a tool.

[eXode]

It's lame to marginalize problem, not all of threads are bitching around price but even so most of these bitchin threads are generated because props promised discount/crossgrade thing in shop for people which already have SAME plugin in VST but on RE launch they pulled it out leaving people in anger to buy same thing all over again and not allowing them to resell it. Are you seriously not finding it weird that people having one piece of software have to pay full price all over again just to use it in another program?

I'd have to say that I disagree. Most of the bitching on props forum was about RE's price as such and not the lack of cross grades. Sure people moaned about it too, but not nearly as much as on the RE prices in general. Some users were expecting that ALL RE's would cost $15 USD for pete's sake.

[KevWestBeats]

Suppose Reason cost $19. Would this topic even exist then?

Many people here at KVR, it seems to me, are not really evaluating Reason as one single tool for their toolbox of tools. Instead they're evaluating their own wallets, on the premise that "if I don't get everything that's out there, crammed into a single DAW or product, costing me less than X dollars, then it sucks".

great post!!!

[Trakstar]

It's lame to marginalize problem, not all of threads are bitching around price but even so most of these bitchin threads are generated because props promised discount/crossgrade thing in shop for people which already have SAME plugin in VST but on RE launch they pulled it out leaving people in anger to buy same thing all over again and not allowing them to resell it. Are you seriously not finding it weird that people having one piece of software have to pay full price all over again just to use it in another program?

No, I don't find it weird that people would have to pay full price for a RE plugin. Not at all. On the contrary. I think it's reasonable and I seriously hope that RE's will actually cost more than VSTs.

Furthermore, I personally hope that Props start to smoke out all the people with thin wallets. These users are just a burden with their negative attitudes and constant demands, it's better to focus on the people who actually want to invest in the brand and fashion of Reason as a tool.

hey, what the hell, Ive spent £1000's on plugins and really support developers, and the Propellerheads are among one of my favorites. Its when Im using a free plugin called roughrider, why should I have to pay for it elsewhere. Also with the the softube stuff, I can get them for a prochannel in sonar X1 and get the vsts as well, but if I go to the RE shop Im going to get screwed bigtime for the same stuff. Im all on for paying a good price but what your saying is silly talk.

No, I don't find it weird that people would have to pay full price for a RE plugin. Not at all. On the contrary. I think it's reasonable and I seriously hope that RE's will actually cost more than VSTs.

The whole point of reason in the beginning was to get everything you ever wanted in one package, which you already get. Why the propellerheads just didnt bundle a few RE's with a seasonal update is beyond me, oh yeah, you can make more money this way silly me. Im not bitchin just stating facts, so sounds to me you have a chip on your shoulder, or you work for propellerheads..Hmmmm

[kmonkey]

Furthermore, I personally hope that Props start to smoke out all the people with thin wallets. These users are just a burden with their negative attitudes and constant demands, it's better to focus on the people who actually want to invest in the brand and fashion of Reason as a tool.

Ok if that doesn't smell as an elitisitc fanboy crap then i don't know what does?


Yeah screw old paying customers which put them where they are in the first place yes?

Reason as a brand and fashion invest? Hello?

Let me guess...you are using Mac right?

Not even huge mega space zeta recitulli facepalm can not represent your nonsense..

[kmonkey]

Why the propellerheads just didnt bundle a few RE's with a seasonal update is beyond me, oh yeah, you can make more money this way silly me. Im not bitchin just stating facts, so sounds to me you have a chip on your shoulder, or you work for propellerheads..Hmmmm

Let him go..he is going to invest in some sort of fashion or something. I really can't tell..

[KevWestBeats]

A Reason user MUST believe it is complete: you have everything you need (this is the Propellerhead manthra). It is not true, of course, but their policy. Fanboys made me ban from PH forum because I was continuosly asking them "well, how can you reply sounds like omnisphere, pianoteq and absynth ones within reason" in perspective of vst support. That is why they introduced the RE thing: because of our vst support demand. They pretend in this way to make us "happy" and at the same time not to betray orthodox fanboys-against-plugins. And that is why we (i mean: the ones who have been asking patiently for vst support for 10 years) gave up and said bye bye. If you ask someone here "why you sell reason" the answer will be always the same: "because of no vst support". This is the only reason, alas. For what it offers it should cost half the price, or at least have vst support (like Orion, FL amd similar).

I use it as part of my tool box and I still feel its very complete and didn't need RE or vst support. No fanboy from here at all I will tell u everything that is wrong with it but no tool is perfect. Hell in fact Reason is my go to tool of choice most of the time. I don't need every plug in on the planet just like I don't need every RE out there and I tell the people on the Props forum to stop crying about the price too. Get what you need for your music and forget everything else exists or you will always feel you need more.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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