I'm sure it was not meant seriously. I think it would not be sensible to think that at all this time. If anything, Waves has actually improved much on recent times. They stopped being anal with their licensing and go rid of the stupid i-lok, they have had some great sales, they changed their WUP to quite sensible etc. Waves has gone in a short time from try-to-avoid to keep-an-eye-on list. Some emerging competition has done them good, no doubt about it.Arglebargle wrote:I hope Waves goes out of business.
Oh boy, another VA synth. This time from Waves!
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- KVRAF
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- 2648 posts since 20 Jun, 2012
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- KVRist
- 53 posts since 18 May, 2011 from Germany
Great...this is it. I totally overlooked this...Tehnik wrote:looking at the GUI I cant stop thinking about the similarity to TAL free plugins.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2648 posts since 20 Jun, 2012
They probably should have named it ElementsCM and give it away for free with CM. Then we all would be rejoicing now.Tehnik wrote:$200 is a total bananas price. laughable actually, considering for this kind of money you can have eg Masive and many more synths that offer something more than a features set from "vsti 101" book.
anyway - why would anyone want to download a demo of something that offers nothing extraordinary to try? looking at the GUI I cant stop thinking about the similarity to TAL free plugins.
Also - ofcourse it sounds good on the demos, it's Waves after all so if devs making free synths can make them sound great, then Waves devs are certainly capable of doing so either.
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- Pick Me Pick me!
- 10241 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from a state of confusion
I'm not sure I'd even use it if it was provided free of charge.robotmonkey wrote:They probably should have named it ElementsCM and give it away for free with CM. Then we all would be rejoicing now.Tehnik wrote:$200 is a total bananas price. laughable actually, considering for this kind of money you can have eg Masive and many more synths that offer something more than a features set from "vsti 101" book.
anyway - why would anyone want to download a demo of something that offers nothing extraordinary to try? looking at the GUI I cant stop thinking about the similarity to TAL free plugins.
Also - ofcourse it sounds good on the demos, it's Waves after all so if devs making free synths can make them sound great, then Waves devs are certainly capable of doing so either.
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- KVRAF
- 2960 posts since 9 Dec, 2011 from falling
Nah. Bitching about free shit is like pastime #4 or 5 here at KVR, right behind winging about copy protection.robotmonkey wrote:They probably should have named it ElementsCM and give it away for free with CM. Then we all would be rejoicing now.Tehnik wrote:$200 is a total bananas price. laughable actually, considering for this kind of money you can have eg Masive and many more synths that offer something more than a features set from "vsti 101" book.
anyway - why would anyone want to download a demo of something that offers nothing extraordinary to try? looking at the GUI I cant stop thinking about the similarity to TAL free plugins.
Also - ofcourse it sounds good on the demos, it's Waves after all so if devs making free synths can make them sound great, then Waves devs are certainly capable of doing so either.
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- KVRAF
- 5913 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
After some more testing... Unison is a bit limited, it's only doubling. There is no control of stereo spread, detune, amount of voices "stacking".
Effects are ok but not many options eg. the reverb and chorus are only one knob for the mix level! No modulation time, room size.. nothing.
Switchable DC/VC oscillators are a good idea also that oscillator 1 can be modulated with a sine wave.
The Arp is very limited. I miss velocity or binding of steps.
For the very limited features $200 is of course a joke. Compared to other synth it's worth not more then $30.
Effects are ok but not many options eg. the reverb and chorus are only one knob for the mix level! No modulation time, room size.. nothing.
Switchable DC/VC oscillators are a good idea also that oscillator 1 can be modulated with a sine wave.
The Arp is very limited. I miss velocity or binding of steps.
For the very limited features $200 is of course a joke. Compared to other synth it's worth not more then $30.
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- KVRAF
- 1596 posts since 19 May, 2011 from North Carolina
Haven't downloaded the demo yet, but I'm in the camp that likes the sound of the demo track.
As to "Does the world need another VA?" I think it depends - if the sound has character, and/or the synth provides a different approach/interface that inspires, then I think the market's there - most of us own more soft VA's then we would hardware, simply because of the price point.
So much of the Waves-hate stems from the botched freebie and install process - my opinion of the company went from neutral to somewhat negative, so as a marketing tool it failed, and even though they got my e-mail, I'd seen the synth on CM's FB page first anyway.
Another sour note is the "Virtual Voltage" hype - that's marketing to the twelve-year-old and one step away from calling the LFOs "whobblers". IMHO It cheapens the "pro vibe" Waves has worked towards.
I'll still look at the synth tho - G.A.S.!
As to "Does the world need another VA?" I think it depends - if the sound has character, and/or the synth provides a different approach/interface that inspires, then I think the market's there - most of us own more soft VA's then we would hardware, simply because of the price point.
So much of the Waves-hate stems from the botched freebie and install process - my opinion of the company went from neutral to somewhat negative, so as a marketing tool it failed, and even though they got my e-mail, I'd seen the synth on CM's FB page first anyway.
Another sour note is the "Virtual Voltage" hype - that's marketing to the twelve-year-old and one step away from calling the LFOs "whobblers". IMHO It cheapens the "pro vibe" Waves has worked towards.
I'll still look at the synth tho - G.A.S.!
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- KVRAF
- 12190 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
I'm guessing that most of you haven't been paying much attention to Waves' pricing strategy over the past two years. They set the retail prices on individual plugins high, but run frequent sales (monthly, mid-monthly, holidays) with pretty big price reductions, so it's reasonable to assume that there will be many opportunities to buy this synth for less than the $200 retail price, which I agree is probably ridiculously high for this synth.
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
There are a few synths roughly that priced and equally as 'basic' looking. Its about the sound quality tho isnt it?
Looks quite capable, hopefully it sounds good.
Looks quite capable, hopefully it sounds good.
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- KVRAF
- 14739 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
Actually, it does look like TAL NoiseMaker, just with more modulation options.Impulslogik wrote:Great...this is it. I totally overlooked this...Tehnik wrote:looking at the GUI I cant stop thinking about the similarity to TAL free plugins.
I'm not commenting on the price politics and copy protection by Waves. I just find it silly to demo for like 2-7 days only. Great for putting it to the test.
More funny are the recent developments in "trademarks". Waves for example states "Virtual Voltage Technology", SoundMagic has a "Modeling Core Next" technology, I've seen other ones like "True Analog Modeling" or "real sound shaping".
I mean... hello? Are we users stupid these days?
Buzz words do sale.
Should I ever code a plugin, I call it "TITANS-D":
"Totally IntuiTive and Non-Stupid Design". Yes, I think I'm going to TM this!
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- KVRAF
- 3846 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from Underworld
It's *Virtual Voltage* technology!
It's got a virtual 3D perspective GUI!
Surely, a must buy. "No brainer"
/sarcasm
But one must admit that the price is alright. if there wasn't for the excruciatingly terrible licensing system, one would be really tempted.
It's got a virtual 3D perspective GUI!
Surely, a must buy. "No brainer"
/sarcasm
But one must admit that the price is alright. if there wasn't for the excruciatingly terrible licensing system, one would be really tempted.
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
There are a few synths roughly that priced and equally as 'basic' looking. Its about the sound quality tho isnt it?
Looks quite capable, hopefully it sounds good.
Looks quite capable, hopefully it sounds good.
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- KVRian
- 805 posts since 17 May, 2011 from Philadelphia
Trying the demo and it's very similar to synths I already have like Retrologue and DuneCM so I doubt I'll buy it, but I do like it very much. The cpu is very low, so the filters are okay but not great, but the effects are quite nice. I'm having a lot of fun with it, as it's so fast to dial in nice sounds. If patch programming was a race this might be my synth of choice. 
There's something about the oscillators that's interesting to me. When I dial in the same waveform on each and blend them together (with no modulations and nothing else in the signal path) there is very noticeable phase shifting going on. In comparison when I blended the same waveforms in Retrologue and Dune there is no phase shifting at all. Maybe someone with more experience can tell me if this is a behavior common with real analogue synths? I've got to get back to work now but will try this with some other synths later.
There's something about the oscillators that's interesting to me. When I dial in the same waveform on each and blend them together (with no modulations and nothing else in the signal path) there is very noticeable phase shifting going on. In comparison when I blended the same waveforms in Retrologue and Dune there is no phase shifting at all. Maybe someone with more experience can tell me if this is a behavior common with real analogue synths? I've got to get back to work now but will try this with some other synths later.