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subterfuge · Post by **subterfuge** » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:00 pm

Been interested in this drum machine as well as Drumatic 4, testing both now. Not that I wouldn't have enough of them already, but both of these sound so very good.

To make the overall usage easier, there should be an easier way to change the drum models (algorithms) in Bong than browsing thru the presets and trying to find a suitable combination to tweak further. I gather I should actually be able to change those model numbers somehow, but haven't figured out how. A bug?

Love the birds, btw...any chance to get them singing at will even after the registration?

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:34 pm

Ingo

I, for the record, would be EXTREMELY happy if you could contribute some nice drum sounds. THANKS !

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:47 pm

subterfuge wrote:Been interested in this drum machine as well as Drumatic 4, testing both now. Not that I wouldn't have enough of them already, but both of these sound so very good.

To make the overall usage easier, there should be an easier way to change the drum models (algorithms) in Bong than browsing thru the presets and trying to find a suitable combination to tweak further. I gather I should actually be able to change those model numbers somehow, but haven't figured out how. A bug?

Love the birds, btw...any chance to get them singing at will even after the registration?

Theres a drop down number box on each module just under the vary and seed knobs

ras.s · Post by **ras.s** » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:47 pm

subterfuge, you can change the model by dragging the number that is below the vary and seed knobs, same thing with the outputs at the end of the strips ..

And also, if you're on the edge with this thing, consider getting the whole xoxos-bundle, if you don't have it yet. There's four more top notch drum synthesizers there, capable of wide variety of sounds, and effects to make you happy for years to come.

I mean seriously, the xoxos bundle is the bee's knees. The free stuff he gives away is amazing, and the cheap stuff is just exponentially so. Just got it myself recently and man, I should have gotten it years ago already. Just pure sonic bliss and I'm not even exaggerating, except the elderthing, which is just wrong -- in a tormented, yet fascinating way..

Thanks xoxos! Or.. xoxos, xoxos!

edit: great minds think alike, or atleast, post at the same minute ..

cron · Post by **cron** » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:23 pm

subterfuge wrote:Been interested in this drum machine as well as Drumatic 4, testing both now. Not that I wouldn't have enough of them already, but both of these sound so very good.

To make the overall usage easier, there should be an easier way to change the drum models (algorithms) in Bong than browsing thru the presets and trying to find a suitable combination to tweak further. I gather I should actually be able to change those model numbers somehow, but haven't figured out how. A bug?

You can change the algorithms by dragging the algorithm number (usually below seed and vary) up or down. It works just like the other knobs.

Drumatic 4 is great for more surgical tasks, but I find it takes a while to nail the sounds you're after. Bong for me is all about finding the algorithm that gives the right 'flavour' and tweaking from there. Unless I'm looking to make some really out-there 'statement' percussion, I go for Bong every time.

edit: I started writing this a while ago but was distracted by the computer behind me that I'm fixing for a friend. Seems I was a bit late with the algorithm hint.

subterfuge · Post by **subterfuge** » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:33 pm

Thanks for the swift responses fellows! Yes, I do see the algorithm number boxes, but that's it. The only way I can make the numbers to change is to change presets. Same thing with the output boxes, can't change the numbers there either. I have tried dragging, typing, tab, arrows and every imaginable modifier combination to no avail, the boxes don't respond at all. New download and reinstall also of course.

As for the sounds, yes, this really sounds good and the edit-ability is fine for me...except of course this odd thing I'm having with the numbers.

edit: Lol, right when I have said all that and try again, of course it works! Yep, changes by dragging down from the number boxes, but maybe it's my mouse acting up...by the time I've got algorithm 8 on kick, I'm way down on the screen with my mouse drag? The first number changes when I'm over the Clap module. I surely would've not guessed to try that far...until I finally did.

waiting man · Post by **waiting man** » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:51 am

some muscle power, 8on9 on microzwerge.

https://soundcloud.com/pluggotic/zwergebong-test

Halma · Post by **Halma** » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:59 am

Hey guys,

here is a brand new kit for your pleasure. A full kit, carefully tuned to taste with most velocity parameters enabled. I hope that some of you like it and have some fun with it. Synth bass in demo is not BONG btw.

http://www.kvraudio.com/product/bong-vs ... /downloads

https://soundcloud.com/watch-them-kraut ... t-bong-vst

And because I have not worked with the brush mode from snare 1 and I was interested how it sounds I made a few tests some days ago...took me some time to figure it out. Thx to some drum teachers on youtube. But I like them so far.

https://soundcloud.com/watch-them-kraut ... -mode-test

Regards
Sebastian

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:18 pm

ras.s wrote:subterfuge et c.

you know my mind in regards to my plugs. thanks for the kind words all

ras.s · Post by **ras.s** » Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:55 pm

Well, I suppose I do, but that comment was more aimed at subterfuge or anyone else considering buying bong.

Still, I'm really pleased that I bought the whole bundle. For instance, there's the glitter-reverb, of which you make no mention on your website. People pay over hundred bucks to get to the same ballpark where that reverb is at. Spring2 is quite something too and I think it will replace my other commercial spring reverb. The bundle deserves its own threads, both in the Instruments and the Effects forums, so I guess no point in talking about it here.

Regarding bong, now that I've been testing it more thoroughly, while it's really good, I still rather go to 'cymbal' or 'star cym' for hihat and cymbal sounds and just about anything else for a rim sound. I think it would be nice if you would release the individual strips from bong as individual plugins, that would give the user the possibility of combining their own drumsets. I'm using its bassdrum, snare and toms over here, but then the rest I get from other sources, so from processing power and modularity point of view, I think it would be nice to have the possibility to load less/as much as I need.

And it needs an extra trigger button for the birds.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:46 pm

I'll bump this thread. Didn't know about Bong until another user recommended it to me when I was asking about the D16 emulations. Bong rules and I almost miss the bird sounds now that I own it.

I posted some links over on GS where they're talking ad nauseum about the Roland Aira TR-8. Modeled TR drum sounds and a lame sequencer for $500?! Bong! $25 and you already own a good sequencer! Done and done.

One question... is there a list somewhere as to what the different models are inspired by? Just curious.

spacedad · Post by **spacedad** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:37 pm

everyone knows bong makes the best drum sounds.so easy to get great sounds.
but it needs a new skin.sorry xoxos,but it looks like it was made in 2002.which is a shame cos it obviously is the best dm in the world and it should have the best gui in the world which would take bong to another level,i think.
i know i'll get shot down for saying it,but it's true people judge with there eyes these days.
most have higher screen rez too,so making it slightly bigger would suit most.
was there a reason for all that blank real estate?

oh,can people send in preset emu's of there fave old drummachines?
that would be nice to have,like casio/soundmaster etc.
i could compile them as a bank if you like.
there must be a sample site for comparing vintage dm sounds around?

cron · Post by **cron** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:31 pm

Damn, that brush demo is immense! I need to get on that alg.

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:27 pm

After my pleads towards Rurik have not yielded the expected outcome (some sort of randomize facility), I rolled up my sleeves and commenced the LABORIOUS work of METICULOUSLY (!

!) pressing the "randomize" button in Cantabile

Hey, mind you - one still have to MANUALLY discard randomization parameters (a LOT of mouse presses. again, LABORIOUS feat) and tweak a thing or two... so I ended with 24 gorgeous presets (well, they did sound gorgeous to my ears, when seq-driven via Microtonic)

HEY... I'M A SOUND DESIGNER !!

(well.... no, not really)

BTW, as one who absolutely LOVE to watch sequencers at work, I think I am entitled to the self-proclaimed acronym "See-Seq" !

subterfuge · Post by **subterfuge** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:45 pm

zerocrossing wrote: Bong rules and I almost miss the bird sounds now that I own it.

Haha, I know what you mean. I actually made a track which featured intentionally those birds, so I was glad when I realized that I can still run also the demo version when needed.

zerocrossing wrote:One question... is there a list somewhere as to what the different models are inspired by? Just curious.

Following thread had at least for me really interesting and entertaining story about the development of bong. But I don't think all the algos would've been listed anywhere together. Maybe Rurik can inform us on that?
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 5&t=383681

spacedad wrote: i know i'll get shot down for saying it,but it's true people judge with there eyes these days.

I think that is too much of a blanket statement. There are also people who like only the glitz, but then again also some who couldn't care less. I like the current GUI because it's unassuming, not getting in a way and not trying to evoke feelings of using fancy devices past or current. It just is what it is.

There are however couple of things I'd like to see changed. I think changing the algos by dragging has too long travel. If I drag Kick from algo 1 to 8, I'm over SN2 panel when done. Going the other way, if I have bong on top of the screen I have to do several swipes since I don't have enough room to do it with just one move. Maybe just a tad shorter travel for the changes?

Another one would be having a separate cymbal module instead of sharing the panel with hats. I could personally lose the other snare for that, but that might be just me. All in all, bong has become my goto electronic drum source. Apart from some hats and kicks, I have actually been able to coax out of it most every drum sound I have been looking for. Funnily enough I have had most trouble trying to get really flat/lifeless hits, bong just seems to have so vibrant sound. Not a bad character though, much rather this way around.

BONG - now with added cultural redemption