Should I spend my $$ On Sonar X3 Or Logic X

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[J4R1O]

@TheoM: Thanks for the insight into EDU version. If I knew I would have bought it instead of Sonar. Dongle and price was my concern. Good to know about this option.

Gotcha!

I've considered Cubase as my next main DAW, and I believe that it would be a choice I won't regret.

I don't care how much X3 gets praise from CW's loyal fanboys, insiders, or from those who are blinded by all those shiny bundeled plug-ins, I simply don't trust that company and don't want to support them. So, no further plans to purchase or upgrade Sonar. It seems to me that they have no future in DAW markets and will fade out in couple of years.

I'm ok with X1, but I'm gonna demo Cubase very soon (as soon as I finish my current projects).

[satYatunes]

@TheoM: Thanks for the insight into EDU version. If I knew I would have bought it instead of Sonar. Dongle and price was my concern. Good to know about this option.

Gotcha!

haha.. omg he is a traitor lets kill him.. haha.. no man.. m not a fanboy nor an insider nor even loyal. I just use what works for me and I always advise/suggest the same to others. There is no point in fighting what's the best DAW. I use Reaper and Sonar cause both work for me and on my system flawlessly. Both have crashed on more than one occasion but which DAW doesn't. I installed X3 last night and have posted my initial feeling in the X3 thread. So we can continue X3 related discussion over there. I will repeat what I said earlier, give the demo a good whirl whichever DAW you wanna go for. System configuration plays a vital role in performance and stability so take your time to ensure it works on your system. C ya in X3 thread, I know u will follow the news, don't deny or fight it

[J4R1O]

haha.. omg he is a traitor lets kill him.. haha.. no man.. m not a fanboy nor an insider nor even loyal. I just use what works for me and I always advise/suggest the same to others. There is no point in fighting what's the best DAW. I use Reaper and Sonar cause both work for me and on my system flawlessly. Both have crashed on more than one occasion but which DAW doesn't. I installed X3 last night and have posted my initial feeling in the X3 thread. So we can continue X3 related discussion over there. I will repeat what I said earlier, give the demo a good whirl whichever DAW you wanna go for. System configuration plays a vital role in performance and stability so take your time to ensure it works on your system. C ya in X3 thread, I know u will follow the news, don't deny or fight it

There is still some ecstasy in the air among the fanboys. I talked via mail with one Sonar user (not a fanboy, though) who said that X3 is stable, but now he's having some serious issues.

I'll take a look at the thread you mentioned...

And I knew you're not a fanboy 'cos you didn't use the word "bakers".

[Tronam]

Ideally for me my DAW should offer a complete "In the box" solution as I like many others get easily distracted by fancy VST interfaces and new synths etc. - The time I spend twiddling knobs on instruments /FX without actually doing anything constructive is ridiculous - Because of this I plan on working solely with whatever comes inside of whatever DAW I choose and putting any 3rd party stuff I have to one side until I can get a good handle on what I'm at.

Then Logic is an easy host to recommend. It has one of the most comprehensive bundled plugin collections, includes an enormous amount of sample/instrument/loop content, it doesn't require a dongle and the price of entry is silly low for what you get.

[trimph1]

It does need a Mac to run though.

Expensive dongle.

[SJ_Digriz]

It does need a Mac to run though.

Expensive dongle.

I'm an Apple hating zealot, and even I find this argument to be ridiculous. Might as well say any windows only app requires a dongle (windows computer). Or the Solaris VM requires a Solaris server dongle. There are plenty of platform specific applications in the world. Heck, Cubase was windows only for a long time ... wish they would do that again. The attempt to unify the code has pretty much ruined the interface.

[AROSSA [Cakewalk]]

Given all the stability problems and uncertain future of X3, I would think going Logic would be a no brainer. I'd much prefer S1 to both however.

Where are you getting your information from? SONAR X3 is quite stable and users who are ACTUALLY using it are loving it. Likewise, the future of SONAR is very bright in general. We have already done two updates with more coming soon. If you are going to give an opinion on SONAR X3, maybe you should base it on reality and not your own baseless opinions.

[fmr]

It does need a Mac to run though.

Expensive dongle.

I'm an Apple hating zealot, and even I find this argument to be ridiculous. Might as well say any windows only app requires a dongle (windows computer). Or the Solaris VM requires a Solaris server dongle. There are plenty of platform specific applications in the world. Heck, Cubase was windows only for a long time ... wish they would do that again. The attempt to unify the code has pretty much ruined the interface.

Actually, Cubase was NEVER Windows only. It started in Atari, and was ported early to Mac. Only much later did Steinberg create a Windows version.
The argument of a Mac dongle is not so ridiculous if we think that we have to pay like 20 to 50% more for a similarly spec'ed computer, with nasically no hardware upgrade options.
BTW - Logic was also ported to Windows, and when Apple bought Emagic and terminated the Windows development, it was running on pair and with better performance in Windows than in Mac.

[chk071]

The argument of a Mac dongle is not so ridiculous if we think that we have to pay like 20 to 50% more for a similarly spec'ed computer, with nasically no hardware upgrade options.

So why do you buy a Mac? Not that i would want to cause a Mac vs. PC debate...

[SJ_Digriz]

Actually, Cubase was NEVER Windows only. It started in Atari, and was ported early to Mac. Only much later did Steinberg create a Windows version.

As a user of Cubase on the Atari platform I'm aware of the origin. So, I'll put it differently then. There was a non-MAC period of time for Cubase, which I wish they would return to. Again, the efforts to be cross-platform have totally f**ked it up.

The argument of a Mac dongle is not so ridiculous if we think that we have to pay like 20 to 50% more for a similarly spec'ed computer, with nasically no hardware upgrade options.

No, the platform is just more expensive. Not a dongle. Just platform dependant. All platforms have their own flavor of limitations. Even Linux. Like I said, plenty of things are platform dependant. In a very obscure way, that makes every platform a dongle by your definition. But, I'm done arguing this .. we would have to get into dongle definitions ... which leads to pictures of dongles ... which leads to things that can't be unseen.

BTW - Logic was also ported to Windows, and when Apple bought Emagic and terminated the Windows development, it was running on pair and with better performance in Windows than in Mac.

I actually have that version of Logic. But, has nothing to do with this discussion. I actually think Apple is doing the right thing the wrong way. Focusing on a platform and tweaking for that platform has much better potential for a highly performant highly stable app. However, they have taken the old IBM lockin to astronomical levels. Platform focus/optimization and platform lockin/lockout are not the same thing. One is good, one is bad.

[donato]

Given all the stability problems and uncertain future of X3, I would think going Logic would be a no brainer. I'd much prefer S1 to both however.

Where are you getting your information from? SONAR X3 is quite stable and users who are ACTUALLY using it are loving it. Likewise, the future of SONAR is very bright in general. We have already done two updates with more coming soon. If you are going to give an opinion on SONAR X3, maybe you should base it on reality and not your own baseless opinions.

I base my information on the very long currently 54 page thread linked below where many, many users are saying what a POS buggy program it is. So it's not really my first-hand opinion, but the opinion of dozens of others in that thread. Furthermore, many people aren't too excited about the future of the product given its recent purchase by a company that is notorious for destroying companies it has acquired. I am sure there are happy Cakewalk users out there, but the fact remains it does not have a very good reputation by some. Sorry it happens to be a company you work for.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=391841

[trimph1]

I had issues. But I did NOT say it was a POS.

Try to avoid hyperbole here.

[chk071]

Given all the stability problems and uncertain future of X3, I would think going Logic would be a no brainer. I'd much prefer S1 to both however.

Where are you getting your information from? SONAR X3 is quite stable and users who are ACTUALLY using it are loving it. Likewise, the future of SONAR is very bright in general. We have already done two updates with more coming soon. If you are going to give an opinion on SONAR X3, maybe you should base it on reality and not your own baseless opinions.

I base my information on the very long currently 54 page thread linked below where many, many users are saying what a POS buggy program it is. So it's not really my first-hand opinion, but the opinion of dozens of others in that thread. Furthermore, many people aren't too excited about the future of the product given its recent purchase by a company that is notorious for destroying companies it has acquired. I am sure there are happy Cakewalk users out there, but the fact remains it does not have a very good reputation by some. Sorry it happens to be a company you work for.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=391841

Windows must be a serious POS too, considering how many people on the internet post their problems with it. Honestly, better base your experience on something YOU experienced, not other people on teh internet.

[donato]

Given all the stability problems and uncertain future of X3, I would think going Logic would be a no brainer. I'd much prefer S1 to both however.

Where are you getting your information from? SONAR X3 is quite stable and users who are ACTUALLY using it are loving it. Likewise, the future of SONAR is very bright in general. We have already done two updates with more coming soon. If you are going to give an opinion on SONAR X3, maybe you should base it on reality and not your own baseless opinions.

I base my information on the very long currently 54 page thread linked below where many, many users are saying what a POS buggy program it is. So it's not really my first-hand opinion, but the opinion of dozens of others in that thread. Furthermore, many people aren't too excited about the future of the product given its recent purchase by a company that is notorious for destroying companies it has acquired. I am sure there are happy Cakewalk users out there, but the fact remains it does not have a very good reputation by some. Sorry it happens to be a company you work for.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=391841

Windows must be a serious POS too, considering how many people on the internet post their problems with it. Honestly, better base your experience on something YOU experienced, not other people on teh internet.

Windows is a serious POS, which is why I abandoned it many years ago.