Should I continue learning music theory?

[jancivil]

plus with or without music theory knowledge, phil collins is shit.
id rather listen to camels fart.

Well, as a drummer he's legendary and I do like some of his older songs. His newer pop songs aren't my taste...

legendary and good are not synonymous.

I don't know why some UK people are against Phil Collins (maybe because of the media reports?), I like him and his older beats & grooves.

i live in the uk, im not from the uk

and its because he bores the shit out of me. his post genesis(gabriel era) work is like sleeping pills to me.

You ARE the bloody UK. Every gesture from you SCREAMS 'Fecking UK, ollroit!'

Collins was at one time a really excellent drummer. I started moving away from Genesis after one album sans Gabriel. I don't like Collins' voice and it's better to have him back of the stage behind some objects. Yes, he's extremely boring as a popstar, I agree.

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I think music is perhaps the only art form where there are people claiming that being ignorant is better, and knowledge cuts freedom.
Pathetic. It would be funny if it wasn't sad. That's perhaps because of that that we are exposed daily to massive doses of sh!t in the form of sound

And telling that literature is different from music

Yes, and as to 'vurt' and "why is 'person a' upset". (This is me very slightly irritated by the way. I have a lot of energy and I don't take dope all day.)

The notion "I prefer my ignorance/I know what I want" is a vicious circle. I think 'ecto' is not so bold as to inflict the results onto a space I have to share, but a lot of this shit is people proceeding exactly like this, and making shit from their ignorant guesswork, and it takes up space in the world out of a dire lack of musical education (and a downward trend in society as to understanding I believe), in that it's materially supported and celebrated. People of no achievement in music become filthy rich because no one is the wiser. People that would think avicii is doing great music, cannot have ever been exposed to great music, or have so much as the rudiments of music to go by. What that does, though, is validate the next person that doesn't know shit about it who wants to fill those shoes and if they fellate the right set of people well enough, they perfectly well CAN become the next sub-mediocrity in this scene of drug-addled mental infants.

Society, humanity is not a lot of atoms floating about independently. It is a field. It is being polluted, this shit takes up space.

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[Aleatoriac]

plus with or without music theory knowledge, phil collins is shit.
id rather listen to camels fart.

Well, as a drummer he's legendary and I do like some of his older songs. His newer pop songs aren't my taste...

legendary and good are not synonymous.

I don't know why some UK people are against Phil Collins (maybe because of the media reports?), I like him and his older beats & grooves.

i live in the uk, im not from the uk

and its because he bores the shit out of me. his post genesis(gabriel era) work is like sleeping pills to me.

You ARE the bloody UK. Every gesture from you SCREAMS 'Fecking UK, ollroit!'

Collins was at one time a really excellent drummer. I started moving away from Genesis after one album sans Gabriel. I don't like Collins' voice and it's better to have him back of the stage behind some objects. Yes, he's extremely boring as a popstar, I agree.

Wow the amount of hate Phil Collins manages to generate boggles my mind. It's almost as if it were an extended smear campaign.

I loved his music (and Genesis, ALL of it) as a kid. Felt a bit betrayed, however, when all of them stopped producing music as a band or solo artists with any frequency simply because it stopped being as "profitable" or "accepted" - which makes me question how long they'd been doing it for that reason alone. As it is none of them, except Mike Rutherford and Peter Gabriel, have put out anything particularly new in about a decade I kind of think it's their own faults.

It gets boring listening to the same songs for five decades, I'd imagine.

[jancivil]

What hate? {but wait, fair point as to 'vurt's post which is a stronger opinion about it. WHY SO UPSET? }

I don't like the sound he makes. I found Supremes covers by a middle-aged British male
(with that rather paltry voice) needy for yet more chart success a bit nauseating.
I think I'm being fair to emphasize, at one time he was a really excellent - not pretty good, excellent - drummer. He used to be more interested in music:



He overexposed himself, I wasn't looking to hear that much pop but his agency pushed his ubiquity like mad. He became hard to miss.

I was everywhere, and I can see why that must have been annoying to some people.

[vurt]

Furthermore, why say 'person a is upset'? Who is 'person a'? Who's upset? I am happy making strong arguments. This bothers you? Oh well.

paerson a was no onee specific nor was person b, just general terms
i did point out that upset was probably the wrong word too

i guess my point was as the op had already made his decision, this thread has served its purpose and now all it is(or at least then) was back and forth bumping. why not just leave it to die?
i guess im as guilty of that though and here i am again

youll have to forgive me it was way past my bedtime

[vurt]

You ARE the bloody UK. Every gesture from you SCREAMS 'Fecking UK, ollroit!'

thats osmosis for you. been her so long im sounding/acting like the natives.
the bastards still wont give me a passport though

Collins was at one time a really excellent drummer. I started moving away from Genesis after one album sans Gabriel. I don't like Collins' voice and it's better to have him back of the stage behind some objects. Yes, he's extremely boring as a popstar, I agree.

yup, i did say his post genesis work.
although i didnt really like his vocals on the genesis work post gabriel either.

the session work and his previous bands where pretty good yep. guess as you point out in a later post, he was right.

kinda like brian cox for me now. think hes a cool guy and knows his shit about science, but im starting to get pissed off seeing him everywhere

[vurt]

It gets boring listening to the same songs for five decades, I'd imagine.

yup, id imagine my uncle playing no jacket required pretty much relentlessly for years didnt help poor phil from my point of view as well

[jancivil]

Another thing about 'following rules' - one creates one's own rules or a procedure in one's own composition. There totally can be certain things that aren't going to work, or one can preclude that in whole or in part, as the idea forms. When one has studied/analyzed the works of masters in terms understood about the work, been ready with some trust to receive some previous investigations, one is in a better position to compose; ie., to define a sound world or a form for one's self.

In fact, if you're 'choosing only chords you like', you are doing this. It does so happen/is true: the less you understand about what's preceded you, by people that had more to work with than you, the less you are prepared to do that thing. This 'uniqueness' or a voice of your own will not happen in a vacuum and it's not like the quality of that personality is better just through the purity of your insularity (choosing ignorance). It's just fear of the unknown and fear of the realization one should [humbly] have at a certain point, 'I don't know much, really'. Rather than kid yourselves.

[jancivil]

You ARE the bloody UK. Every gesture from you SCREAMS 'Fecking UK, ollroit!'

thats osmosis for you. been her so long im sounding/acting like the natives.
the bastards still wont give me a passport though

I'm exaggerating for effect of course. You're really not from there? I've seen it on the television, it's too old for me and most of it too cold.
I live in a place that is such a melting pot and mixture there isn't a lot of local identity to absorb.

[vurt]

no im not from here originally but have spent roughly 90% of my life here now.
not sure what you mean by too old, but the cold bit youre correct
the town im in now and where i lived for my childhood is a bit too "english" for my tastes, but if you get in to the big cities that changes and thats where i like to spend my time, a nice mix of different cultures thats where i feel most at home.

aside from the issue with the cold it is actually a nice place to live on the whole, has its problems of course but everywhere does i guess.

[jancivil]

I suppose the large cities have the diversity so perhaps less provincial and insular. Old, meaning all the old buildings and such, 'the old world', and then 'tradition'; where I'm used to a dynamic of reinvention and tearing shit down.

[Tricky-Loops]

aside from the issue with the cold it is actually a nice place to live on the whole, has its problems of course but everywhere does i guess.

As long as your umbrella is strong enough to stand the wind gusts...

[vurt]

I suppose the large cities have the diversity so perhaps less provincial and insular. Old, meaning all the old buildings and such, 'the old world', and then 'tradition'; where I'm used to a dynamic of reinvention and tearing shit down.

ah ok, i see.
yes there is a lot of older buildings around, but theres also the constant redevelopment too.
i guess it depends what tv you have seen though? its not all like downton abbey over here

i like the contrast between the two, we also have some untouched areas too, and beng quite a small island its not too much of an issue to get to see all of the different types of area depending on one mood

if for any reason you ever found yourself over here, id be happy to show you around.
id personally avoid london, its much like new york but with a different accent and the taxis are black.
both those places are a little too much for me, everybody is always in such a rush!

[jancivil]

Well, on 'Sherlock' there are some very new looking buildings, aren't there. I don't know. It's a reaction, many people like the old things and 'it's so beautiful'. well sometimes but what it puts me in mind of is a time where people were yet more ignorant than today's crop... I realize I have a cartoon impression of it all. or it's Monty Python and the Holy Grail for me.

[vurt]

im just watching sherlock now
the baskervilles episode tonight so not so many of the modern buildings though.
and yes we definitely have a fair share of the ignorant people over here, but where doesnt?

and as for the holy grail, we only dress in full armour on sundays