UVI - for the record

[Numanoid]

BTW, here is the patent info for the iLok, anything can be found on the net these days

http://www.google.com/patents/US7032240

Interesting, so PACE is an acronym of the inventors name Paul Allen CroncE

[BBFG#]

Hi folks,
Yes, we are following this thread, thank you all for trading your thoughts !
AKAIK, most of our users are felling good with our licensing system. D

Which only tells us that not all of your users are.
And if you were truly 'following',
then you would see that your system also keeps you from having more users.
(As well as getting those you already have to 'feel good' about it too).

I've come to the realization that PACE stands more for
Paranoid Acquisitions Controlling Erroneously.

Isn't it funny, that the same companies that use it, are the ones having to discount their software drastically or otherwise give it away just to get people to accept the PACE?

If they could just deal with their paranoia...
they would find more people open to buy from them to begin with.

I know there's a couple I would definitely consider the day they drop PACE.
UVI being one of them. And that's what this thread was about in the first place.

[robotmonkey]

Isn't it funny, that the same companies that use it, are the ones having to discount their software drastically or otherwise give it away just to get people to accept the PACE?

There's nothing strange about it actually. First, PACE makes the entry point more expensive. If you have two similar plugins with exactly the same price, one of them with serial protection and other with PACE iLok, then the second one would be much more expensive for first time buyers who do not have iLok. Of course this does not apply if you use software authorization or if one already has iLok. And second, PACE does diminish the value of software compared to more user friendly forms of CP. With serial I know for sure that I can reinstall any time I want in the future. Also I know that there is virtually no change that CP could interfere with any of my software. There's no dependency on any external parties that might interfere with the software I have paid for. The crappier the CP the less perceived value software has. That's why I would never pay more than couple of bucks for any of the mobile apps or subscription software - it could disappear or stop working any time and on the reasons outside my control.

[DrumAddict]

i see BBFG that you are complain everytime again when it comes to pace and ilok !

i remember exactly that one kvr user has proves you that it doesent takes much resources !

and i wonder also as you have buy an PC with 2 physical CPU and complaining about resources , tbh i have everytime a smile in the face when i read this everytime you try to complain !

and personal i can understand developer why they are protect the software with iLok (there work , there living from the work and so on) , i also don´t have any problems with it if they are choosing iLok to proetct there work !

[sfd]

I'm requesting an [alternative to PACE. not a replacement instead of PACE.

Therefore there's no reason to argue about PACE in this thread.

If you want to argue about PACE please do it in a dedicated thread.

Now regarding UVI

Are they interested to have me as a customer for their products or are they more concerned about selling PACE?

What is UVI's real issue with an alternative?

[BBFG#]

i see BBFG that you are complain everytime again when it comes to pace and ilok !

i remember exactly that one kvr user has proves you that it doesent takes much resources !

and i wonder also as you have buy an PC with 2 physical CPU and complaining about resources , tbh i have everytime a smile in the face when i read this everytime you try to complain !

Actually he didn't. I just didn't want to waste anymore time on it.
Anyone that actually knew, could see the wrong files were displayed.
So it implied there might have been photo-shop applied to prove a point.
But instead, proved the opposite to anyone that knows what really shows in their resources when it is installed.

As far as my 2 CPU and having no reason to worry about it?
Then you're really not getting it. Parasites never take much (individually).
Still doesn't mean they aren't parasites though.
And there is absolutely no rational reason to have parasites on any system.

[BBFG#]

I'm requesting an [alternative to PACE. not a replacement instead of PACE.
Therefore there's no reason to argue about PACE in this thread.
If you want to argue about PACE please do it in a dedicated thread.
Now regarding UVI
Are they interested to have me as a customer for their products or are they more concerned about selling PACE?
What is UVI's real issue with an alternative?

Ultimately, the majority of these thread turn out this way.
But I really am with you on this. If UVI had a different approach for security I would definitely have kept the free ones I got and quite possibly would have bought more.
So I'll echo that,

What is UVI's real issue with an alternative?

[sfd]

i see BBFG that you are complain everytime again when it comes to pace and ilok !

i remember exactly that one kvr user has proves you that it doesent takes much resources !

and i wonder also as you have buy an PC with 2 physical CPU and complaining about resources , tbh i have everytime a smile in the face when i read this everytime you try to complain !

and personal i can understand developer why they are protect the software with iLok (there work , there living from the work and so on) , i also don´t have any problems with it if they are choosing iLok to proetct there work !

I'm not following.

Would it be a problem for you if he had an alternative?

Would that prevent you from using PACE?

[otristan]

I'm requesting an [alternative to PACE. not a replacement instead of PACE.

Therefore there's no reason to argue about PACE in this thread.

If you want to argue about PACE please do it in a dedicated thread.

Now regarding UVI

Are they interested to have me as a customer for their products or are they more concerned about selling PACE?

What is UVI's real issue with an alternative?

Simple, we don't need one.
iLok is simple to use, allows multiple authorisations on either physical dongle or software licence.
Easy to transfer and manage for the end user
And It offers a good protection for us.

Besides eLicenser there is no equivalent alternative and as both are very similar, I don't see the point in offering both for the sake of simplicity.

Keyfile,serial and stuff like that are unfortunately too easy to crack and/or bought with a stolen credit card so not secure enough. And yes some people pirating would have bought the software if it wasn't available as a crack. You can think I'm wrong on this but trust me, I know.

Not a huge fan of C/R that I personally consider way more intrusive than iLok.

Sure we are going to loose a few customers over this but hey as we say in France, c'est la vie.

[sfd]

I'm requesting an [alternative to PACE. not a replacement instead of PACE.

Therefore there's no reason to argue about PACE in this thread.

If you want to argue about PACE please do it in a dedicated thread.

Now regarding UVI

Are they interested to have me as a customer for their products or are they more concerned about selling PACE?

What is UVI's real issue with an alternative?

Simple, we don't need one.
iLok is simple to use, allows multiple authorisations on either physical dongle or software licence.
Easy to transfer and manage for the end user
And It offers a good protection for us.

Besides eLicenser there is no equivalent alternative and as both are very similar, I don't see the point in offering both for the sake of simplicity.

Keyfile,serial and stuff like that are unfortunately too easy to crack and/or bought with a stolen credit card so not secure enough. And yes some people pirating would have bought the software if it wasn't available as a crack. You can think I'm wrong on this but trust me, I know.

Not a huge fan of C/R that I personally consider way more intrusive than iLok.

Sure we are going to loose a few customers over this but hey as we say in France, c'est la vie.

That was very clarifying and revealing.

I no longer have any doubts about UVI.

This company is clearly not for me.

[BBFG#]

Challenge/Response more intrusive than iLok/PACE?
Only PACE continues to run in system resources after initial authorization.

But thanks for explaining why the company believes it is the only thing they should ever use. I'm glad I gave my UVI plugins away now. (And it was because of PACE).
Now if I can just get the spam to stop.

Out...

[otristan]

Challenge/Response more intrusive than iLok/PACE?
Only PACE continues to run in system resources after initial authorization.

But thanks for explaining why the company believes it is the only thing they should ever use. I'm glad I gave my UVI plugins away now. (And it was because of PACE).
Now if I can just get the spam to stop.

Out...

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Feel free to use it.

In case it doesn't work, don't hesitate to contact me by P.M with your email address.

Thanks,

[Doc Brown]

Challenge/Response more intrusive than iLok/PACE?
Only PACE continues to run in system resources after initial authorization.

But thanks for explaining why the company believes it is the only thing they should ever use. I'm glad I gave my UVI plugins away now. (And it was because of PACE).
Now if I can just get the spam to stop.

Out...

There is an unsubscribe link at the bottom of our mailing AFAIK.
Feel free to use it.

In case it doesn't work, don't hesitate to contact me by P.M with your email address.

Thanks,

Ouch. It's getting cold in here.

[TheKid]

Never bought uvi software and never will. Just like air software. Reading this thread proved me right. Too bad they make great products but those support issues and the copy protection won't convince to me purchase anyway. I'm grateful for alternatives. C'est la vie.

[robotmonkey]

Ouch. It's getting cold in here.

The devs have certainly right to be arrogant but should they. I have evaluated UVI libraries and I have couple of the freebies that I haven't used much beside for testing. I must say that there's nothing there that would make me go wow! I need to have this. Yes, they do sound nice and high quality but in the end there is just so much better alternatives for everything UVI offers. Not only tons of sample libraries but also actual instruments that offer much more flexibility and are better investment than any of the UVI libraries. And not to mention most of them have user friendlier CP.

It seems that there are great devs with great products that have very user friendly CP and they still do fine. And then there are devs who keep bitching about piracy.