Which companies have the most reliable and fair policies?

[Hank the Knife]

'Of the many things I was told, I have come to understand that only the tiniest handful of members here are anything close to working, professional musicians or producer/engineer types. The rest of you are then what? This would definitely explain the lack or professional behaviour and manners.'
That's gossip

[EnGee]

I thought it more informative than going on and on about the ocean of good companies.

But the topic is about this ocean of good companies! Maybe, you could start your own thread about the worst experiences with the companies?!
(I'm curious to know how would you feel when someone writes his/her positive experiences about 7 best companies to him/her that time!)

[Urs]

all I did was post 7, yes, that's a meagre 7, companies that I have had bad experiences with.

No, you didn't. You also stated that these 7 "have extensive and shakey reputations and don't need an awful lot said about them in the first place: their issues tend to be known. The reasons vary from very poor customer service, arrogant attitudes, terrible licensing requirements or icky lic. software."

As one of those 7 is the company I built and own, I found this statement rather condescending. Not much indicates that we (or any of those companies, for all I know or care) has such a "shakey" reputation. I may come across arrogant or "scatterbrained" at times, but unlike many others, I do "come across", i.e. I post in public forums.

The interesting maths about "big companies" is that even if they have, say, less than 1% of disappointed customers, that's still many times more than those of a truely shady company with 50% unsatisfied customers at a fraction of that user base. So yes, any of those 7 will certainly have a hundred times more unsatisfied customers as one of the known rip-offs, simply because they have hundreds of thousands of customers. And of course you'll hear a hundred times more often about that one bad experience people had with them.

Therefore, it's easy to come up with a bad example ("they didn't answer my email in 5 days…", hell no!), but it's a tad too easy - if not unfair! - to make such a generalised statement as you did, don't you think?

You say you had had bad experiences with us. In all fairness, why don't you post what it was and give people a chance to make up their own mind about our shakiness?

[jancivil]

So, okay, I get it now: avoid the sacred cows, be politically correct, mouth all the things supposed to be said here, don't make waves, be a "sheeple", be dishonest to yourself, be incredibly easily offended at anything that doesn't conform to your own opinions, take everything personally

Blimey, aren't you all a rugged, self-confident and brave bunch. Real men!

Look, as to 'offended', what you do here is of no real moment to my life, truly it isn't. I doubt anyone else cares much either. I suppose you're having some bad days and this is the opportunity to spread some unhappiness. I hope you start feeling better! You were told some shit by someone that doesn't seem all that familiar with the place, looks like, and that's perfect reinforcement for your issues in this thread.

While, I did think certain statements made were beyond crass and below the 5-yr.-0ld maturity, let me assure you - first, no, I am not having my period, thank you so much for asking (ever know or had a relationship with any woman ever? well, never ask that); second, I think it's even more insulting putting words into people mouths, third, I was not having a 'bad day', either, why assume so much when people post, read the words for what they are; forth, what I said was what I said, it means what is says and nothing more, imagined or otherwise. They were MY experiences. You can accept that I had them or you can reject them. Just like opinions -- your choice is to agree, disagree or keep your mouth shut.

Multiple ironies here. I did not ask about your period. I'm female. But do put words in my mouth just as you accuse of doing just that. Ironic that you went off on someone for assuming exactly as you have. You're very presumptuous! Out of what, that I took your negativity and overreaction as someone, anyone, having a bad day. That in itself is me more making an excuse for you than anything. Yes, I've had relationships with women. One relationship goes back to 1971.

You're actually inventing shit to go off on. That's you, not me. NB: I don't have any opinion as to your experiences. I replied to your actual comments.
This was all really pretty insulting. And you keep at it, kind of vigorously. So basically you're a nasty bit of work on your better days? good to know.

Now, lest anyone has forgotten during their efforts to insult and slam, all I did was post 7, yes, that's a meagre 7, companies that I have had bad experiences with. I thought it more informative than going on and on about the ocean of good companies.

The thing I replied to listed companies and little else. You seem to believe that you had articulated it well. No, you did this: "... that don't need an awful lot said about them in the first place."

What followed was outright disgraceful. I have manners or I would have truly gone on the offensive. Believe me that I do understand the situation of the majority here. Of the many things I was told, I have come to understand that only the tiniest handful of members here are anything close to working, professional musicians or producer/engineer types. The rest of you are then what? This would definitely explain the lack or professional behaviour and manners.

No, you didn't come in to hate on the forum at all. You've been perfect and anyone finding the problems you actually did present has been disgraceful. Look in the mirror one time.

[IncarnateX]

Hey Maria
It was actually me who asked about your period. However the orginal post was censored. Some mod is protecting you against sexist remarks, so KVR cannot be all that bad after all, can it? But if you want to talk about your period or anything else that makes you depressed, I am all ears.

[trimph1]

'Of the many things I was told, I have come to understand that only the tiniest handful of members here are anything close to working, professional musicians or producer/engineer types. The rest of you are then what? This would definitely explain the lack or professional behaviour and manners.'
That's gossip

Maybe so. I am, myself, a mere dilettante so I do get kind of cranky. But I don't always have the same thing going on that others may have.
I do try to be...ermmm...more "professional" but I fail sometimes.

[Jace-BeOS]

Hey Maria
It was actually me who asked about your period. However the orginal post was censored. Some mod is protecting you against sexist remarks, so KVR cannot be all that bad after all, can it? But if you want to talk about your period or anything else that makes you depressed, I am all ears.

Criticize her bad attitude by all means, but not via her gender. When you go after someone's gender traits, you're attacking an entire population, not an individual person. There are other females here beyond the one you're criticizing. In fact, more than I realized a few posts ago, ha ha (names really aren't a clear indicator, as I've said).

[IncarnateX]

I'm female.

Yes, I've had relationships with women. One relationship goes back to 1971.

Is that an error or are we provided with more info than needed here, "Jan"?

[IncarnateX]

Criticize her bad attitude by all means, but not via her gender. When you go after someone's gender traits, you're attacking an entire population, not an individual person. There are other females here beyond the one you're criticizing. In fact, more than I realized a few posts ago, ha ha (names really aren't a clear indicator, as I've said).

"She" brought the gender issue to the table. Read the thread and especially her "real men" comment. That was my cue. I am just taking the bait

[Jace-BeOS]

As for professionalism... Marla may be laboring under the same naive illusion I was under when I first entered the work force as a "professional". I encountered very few actual "professional professionals" in my careers. The people who pulled the most bullshit were wearing suits and ties and acting like children, and the Peter Principal seemed to be in effect everywhere there was middle management. Often the biggest complainers about OTHER people's behavior were the ones that were themselves socially incompetent, creating conflict wherever they went and then blaming everyone else for failing to measure up to some mythical standard they themselves defined but which did not apply to them.

Maybe it's just my state, but it seems to me that "professionalism" is yet another myth, like "adulthood", "the American dream", and "the free market".

Besides, this is a forum for anyone interested in computer-based music creation to hang out in. There's a code of conduct sometimes enforced, but it's still pretty much just a hangout of people with shared interests. I don't know who's a working musician or studio person around here any more than I know their genders. It also doesn't MATTER who is or is not a working musician here.

[Jace-BeOS]

Criticize her bad attitude by all means, but not via her gender. When you go after someone's gender traits, you're attacking an entire population, not an individual person. There are other females here beyond the one you're criticizing. In fact, more than I realized a few posts ago, ha ha (names really aren't a clear indicator, as I've said).

"She" brought the gender issue to the table. Read the thread and especially her "real men" comment. That was my cue. I am just taking the bait

Hm, I hadn't noticed that. I stand corrected.

Edit: therefore, redirect my comment to Marla, ha.

[trimph1]

It really does not matter now. Every company is now having been besmirched by all this hoohaw.

[Jace-BeOS]

I'm female.

Yes, I've had relationships with women. One relationship goes back to 1971.

Is that an error or are we provided with more info than needed here, "Jan"?

Marla did ask...

[IncarnateX]

I'm female.

Yes, I've had relationships with women. One relationship goes back to 1971.

Is that an error or are we provided with more info than needed here, "Jan"?

Marla did ask...

It was a joke. Didn't know Jancivil was a woman that have had relations with other women (if that is the case). If so, that would be a little beyond Maria's point about female relationships, since she took Jan for a man.

[Jace-BeOS]

i saw Jan's comment as referencing Marla's mistake at gender presumption, in context to having previously mocked another poster for mistaking Marla as a male's name.

Gender irrelevant, the question was asked about whether "any of you" had relationships with women, as if to say no one here has any experience with women, with Marla being sarcastically instructive (what's the opposite gender for "mansplaining"?). Jan indicated experience (being female) on top of experience (having relationships with females). As well as teaching me of my ignorance about Jan, I found the reasoning to be satisfactorily amusing.