KVR Audio

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:33 am

True. I'll leave judging that to others who actually own the respective hardware, and who are also ABLE to compare, which is not always given either. For now, i only can say that their emus sound pretty good to me, and not like 12 year old VSTi's (even though there also were good ones 12 years ago, Terratec Komplexer comes to mind).

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:41 am

chk071 wrote:For now, i only can say that their emus sound pretty good to me, and not like 12 year old VSTi's (even though there also were good ones 12 years ago, Terratec Komplexer comes to mind).

1/ Lot of vsts can do better than Roland for cheap and charlatan, tyrell for free.
2/ Zebra2 is 11 or yeard old and you underestimating technolgy. Terratec complexor was horrible.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:06 am

david.beholder wrote: 2/ Zebra2 is 11 or yeard old and you underestimating technolgy. Terratec complexor was horrible.

Lol, if you say so.

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:18 am

There are comparissions on youtube vs the actual units, honestly I think all of them sound quite great. The CPU use is horrible nevertheless.

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:23 am

rod_zero wrote:There are comparissions on youtube vs the actual units, honestly I think all of them sound quite great. The CPU use is horrible nevertheless.

Comparisons is a function of comparator. And if comparator is biased comparision is not valid.

I've seen several comparisons of Jupiter 8 vs ju08 and they've never safe are or unbuckled a belt.

ftech · Post by **ftech** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:46 am

david.beholder wrote:Comparisons is a function of comparator. And if comparator is biased comparision is not valid.

david.beholder wrote:To be fair I'm talking only about jx3p, jupiter 8, juno 106 and sh-101 I've played and compared. Say sh 101 > tal 101 > roland acb 101.

You're implying that your bias against a product is more legitimate than someone else bias towards that same product?

ClubHo · Post by **ClubHo** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:49 am

david.beholder · Post by **david.beholder** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:12 am

ftech wrote:You're implying that your bias against a product

Wrong guess. I have bias here and obviously not being pushed toward opinion by Roland's or anybody else cache.
But when tests are visible biased toward certain conclusion it definitely worth to mention.

darsho · Post by **darsho** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:17 am

I doubt this will be successfull.

There's just already so many Roland emulation softsynths on the market by other developers.

TAL, Audiorealism, D16, U-HE, Arturia, Tube Ohm, Spectralhead, lots of freeware and things like Deep Flight (a D-50 Kontakt Library).

Even if Roland simply sold their plugins for a fair price, I really can't see myself getting into them, as I have all my Roland bases covered already with other developer's Roland emulations.

Munin · Post by **Munin** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:03 am

According to Jeremy Soule:

The 1987 is meant to provide a "lighter" (from a processor standpoint) and "easier" to use instrument as a quick way to get up and running. More volumes of 1987 are on the way. And, the Concerto engine is actually running ACB for filters etc for a high-definition Roland Remastered sound.

But this should get you excited... A full simulation of the D-50 with full functionality is in our upcoming product lineup for this year at Roland Cloud. So we are offering many different approaches to vintage synths with these different offerings providing many different capabilities. Stay tuned!!

D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:12 am

david.beholder wrote:
christian f. wrote: Aren't we over emulations that don't sound like their originals anyway?
There is other makers (U-he, Synapse) for it.
Roland is for "omg I have cheap and plastic box that look like Jupiter 8 that has only 4 voices and sounds like 2005 vst but I'd rather pretend that it's real".

I see that you are not familiar with the boutique range

They are made of steel and not plastic.

Atleast the new plugouts have 8 voices compared to 4 on the boutique versions but i still love my JP08.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:48 am

D-Fusion wrote: Atleast the new plugouts have 8 voices compared to 4 on the boutique versions but i still love my JP08.

Which proves that those who criticize Roland by launching stripped down products were right. They should simply update the engines in those "boutique" boxes.

And I'm curious to see/hear sound comparisons between the new "plug-out" Jupiter-8 and the JP-08.

D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:20 am

Here is a example how good the Arturia JP8v actually is.

The first half is Arturia and the second one is the Jupiter 8 Plugout.
http://picosong.com/GKWT

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:25 am

D-Fusion wrote:Here is a example how good the Arturia JP8v actually is.

The first half is Arturia and the second one is the Jupiter 8 Plugout.
http://picosong.com/GKWT

I could not notice any difference. Sure, the sound is a bland one, without really pushing the filter to its boundaries, but, based on other comments, the Roland plug-out takes about 45% of a CPU with 8 voices poltphony, while the Arturia takes only 7%.

I'd say that, if not for anything else, in the the ratio CPU/quality the Arturia JP8 V wins by a big margin.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:32 am

fmr wrote:
D-Fusion wrote:Here is a example how good the Arturia JP8v actually is.

The first half is Arturia and the second one is the Jupiter 8 Plugout.
http://picosong.com/GKWT
I could not notice any difference. Sure, the sound is a bland one, without really pushing the filter to its boundaries, but, based on other comments, the Roland plug-out takes about 45% of a CPU with 8 voices poltphony, while the Arturia takes only 7%.

I'd say that, if not for anything else, in the the ratio CPU/quality the Arturia JP8 V wins by a big margin.

The CPU amounts mentioned are from me posted in te otehr thread about t5he new new Jupiter 8 plugin.

Currently i compare the Roland Jupiter 8 to both Arturia Jup-8 V3 and the Jupiter 8 in U-He Diva.

With the Synth Brass patch i currently use in all 3 the Arturia plugin is very close to the Roland while at the moment Diva seems to win compared to those, also in terms of pure "fatness".

FWIW i always thouht the Arturia plugin sounds quite good, independent of how close it is to the real thing.

Concerning that i am still not sure if any of those plugins sounds 100% close to the real thing and i am not just talking about single patches but the whole range of possible sounds.

Synapse Audio The Legend seems to be a great example of how a plugin could nail the real thing properly in terms of sound, features and parameter ranges while at the same time offering advanced features that make sense (e.g. full ADSR envelopes instead of ADS, fine tune knobs for the Oscs and some other features). Still this does not kill your CPU even when used polyphonic.