JP8000 supersaw...some questions

[hurricaneaudiolab]

I keep telling anyone who wants to listen that HIVE nails THAT JP supersaw sound. I'm not saying it emulates the whole JP experience, but it does the classic trance supersaw almost as well as the JP.

The first few examples in this compares Hive's raw "supersaw" to the JP's. The last 3 examples are full blown supersaw patches:

[adamszabo]

No one can seem to get the JP Supersaw sound right.

Oh boy, you are behind times and you are missing out on so many plugins then

[carrieres]

Dune 3.5 has a supersaw osc too

[chk071]

No one can seem to get the JP Supersaw sound right.

Oh boy, you are behind times and you are missing out on so many plugins then

I get where he/she is coming from though. Whenever I read stuff like "use this, use that" here (mostly from people who don't even use supersaw sounds in their music...), I always wonder if they ever tried to nail that sound themselves. There aren't many plugins which really lend themselves for that type of sound. Personally, apart from Spire, Sylenth1, the Virus C in the Motorola DSP emulation, I don't really use any other plugins for that kind of sound, because I know that those will sound good for it.

I don't know if they sound particularly close to the JP-8k, and I frankly don't care about that, even though I think the JP-8k sounds pretty darn good. What would be interesting for me in an emulation would be an emulation of the filter specifically, because, I like its character, it's pretty nice for a digital filter. I also like the JP6k you did, so, I'm sure your next emulation will be even better.

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Icarus 2 has dedicated 7x,8x,9x,10x super,hyper,mega,giga whatever unisons you like,which could be combined for fresh sound - classic 7 saw supesaw isn't so impressive compared to 8x,9x,10x or 16x unison - probably overall sound of these 90 hardware synths has it's place in some genres... at all it's nostalgia to supersaw trance pads designers did at that time(1997-2007),that real deal to use supersaw these days - i remember when start back in 2013 to experiment with subtractive synthesis, sylenth1 8x unison was big deal,now 16x sound decent,few synths offer 32x ...anyway trance scene need new fresh unison modes more than just more voices in unison imho...

[_leras]

No one can seem to get the JP Supersaw sound right.

Oh boy, you are behind times and you are missing out on so many plugins then

I think the point is more than no soft synth really replicates the JP 8000.

Of courses there are plenty of supersaws now, but are they really any more musical or better?

[hurricaneaudiolab]

There’s this misconception that just because a synth has a supersaw oscillator, that it can do the JP-style supersaw. Every time this discussion comes up there are always people bringing up all the synths that have supersaws - the Virus has a supersaw, Diva has a supersaw, Dune has a supersaw, etc. I’d like to argue that the JP supersaw is more than just the supersaw oscillator - it’s a very specific aural combination of the oscillator and how it reacts to the filter, resonance, and envelopes on that specific piece of hardware. Because it was used so often in Trance, it now has this very unique and nostalgic sound imprint - one that is not so easily emulated by other synths. And I’m sure that it’s not some super secret recipe only the Roland geniuses could have thought up, but it does have a distinctive sound, and those of us who have an intimate experience with our JPs, know what it’s supposed to sound like. This detuned saw is just one aspect of the total sound, and if you’re content with just that and don’t care about the nostalgic sound, then go ahead and use Dune or whatever. But if someone is working on an emulation, and all they do is focus on nailing the supersaw oscillator and not the filter and envelopes, and how all those things interact, plus the effects, and even the onboard EQ (the JP’s onboard EQ adds a lot to the sound), not to mention all the other oscillators like the triangle mod, noise and feedback, and the hardware’s more obscure technicalities (for example, the plain saw on oscillator 1 is different than the saw on oscillator 2) then they have no right to call it a JP80x0 emulation.

[chk071]

There’s this misconception that just because a synth has a supsersaw oscillator, that it can do the JP-style supersaw. Every time this discussion comes up there are always people bringing up all the synths that have supersaws - the Virus has a supersaw, Diva has a supersaw, Dune has a supersaw, etc. I’d like to argue that the JP supersaw is more than just the supersaw oscillator - it’s a very specific aural combination of the oscillator and how it reacts to the filter, resonance, and envelopes on that specific piece of hardware.

Although there are other synths, of course, which do a pretty damn good job in their own right.

And, of course, there are others, which just plain SUCK in that regard.

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Although there are other synths, of course, which do a pretty damn good job in their own right.

And, of course, there are others, which just plain SUCK in that regard.

Yeah for sure - there are synths that do that modern massive detuned saw sound really well, like Spire, Sylenth, Dune. But synths that do it almost exactly like the JP80x0? HIVE. Pigments is good at it too.

[chk071]

Pigments is good at it too.

Interesting. Gotta try that out. I played with unison and the "Super" mode, but, never bothered to compare it to anything else.

[_leras]

. Every time this discussion comes up there are always people bringing up all the synths that have supersaws - the Virus has a supersaw, Diva has a supersaw, Dune has a supersaw, etc. I’d like to argue that the JP supersaw is more than just the supersaw oscillator - it’s a very specific aural combination of the oscillator and how it reacts to the filter, resonance, and envelopes on that specific piece of hardware. Because it was used so often in Trance, it now has this very unique and nostalgic sound imprint - one that is not so easily emulated by other synths.

I think that's a good summary, it's the sum of its parts.

Virus became so popular it's also pretty recognisable. I do like the Diva supersaw, but it lacks a bit of edge.

Some of the Hive supersaw sounds you posted above matched the JP sounds really well, but others were in that uncanny valley region where they don't sound like JP.

I wonder how Sami Rabia would get on trying to recreate his JP sounds on Hive.

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Some of the Hive supersaw sounds you posted above matched the JP sounds really well, but others were in that uncanny valley region where they don't sound like JP.

How about sharing your guesses?

[chk071]

Some of the Hive supersaw sounds you posted above matched the JP sounds really well, but others were in that uncanny valley region where they don't sound like JP.

How about sharing your guesses?

I remember we already did that once.

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Some of the Hive supersaw sounds you posted above matched the JP sounds really well, but others were in that uncanny valley region where they don't sound like JP.

How about sharing your guesses?

I remember we already did that once.

Well, he in particular seems to know for certain which examples were the JP.

And about Pigments - Pigments even has the JP's clicky envelopes.

[robindrieghe]

No one can seem to get the JP Supersaw sound right.

not even roland themself...