KVR Audio

elassi · Post by **elassi** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:09 pm

I've used Sonar (v7) back in the days and it wasn't that difficult to switch to Reaper. The main problems at the beginning afair were the routing system and the overloaded menus. Other than that it's imho quite similar to other DAWs of that type (like Cubase and Sonar).

To date I haven't change a lot either. One toolbar with a handful of commands I often use (i.e. export all midi) and a toolbar with color buttons to ... erm ... color the tracks. Think it's from Evildragon, downloaded from the Reaper stash. The menus remained untouched. I learned to overlook the stuff I don't need.

All in all it's the same as with other DAWs or feature loaded apps (Word, Photoshop, you name it): you usually only use a small percentage of all features during daily work. After a short time the key commands for your main tools are "hardwired" in your brain.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:32 pm

You wouldn't be able to polarize me against something that I'd found suited me to use, having researched it. I'm polarized as to a whole sort of individual who does 'DAW X does everything your DAW does' when it is demonstrably a false statement. And yes, here we did get the No True Scotsman fallacy and that stupidity is high-fived within a couple of posts. It probably needs explicating but here it's 'No true DAW user will find REAPER anything other than how I find it, perfect'. Or when FLS had no actual time signatures, 'You can do anything in it you can do in any DAW anyway, only you can't because you're an idiot.'.

It doesn't matter at all, why would it, other than the momentary reaction? So the 'DAW propagandists is a psychological disease' thread gets "mocked". And that's a new sickness, to mock!
I instantly think of John Malkovich as Lord Edmund when you will not be mocked.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:17 pm

It's just software. I suspect that our wives and cars and clothes and houses don't all look and behave the same either.

Random guy makes a daw, sells it for an insanely low price, it works, some people love making music with it, great. How is that not a really good thing? Anyway, when I see people slurping down Oysters I usually think... "My god, how can they eat that crap, it looks like a big booger." But then I remember that people are individuals, not clones of me.

That goes both ways btw. People who happen to not like Reaper are not "brainwashed by marketing" or any other such nonsense, they simply don't like it. I would challenge people to find anything that someone somewhere doesn't like.

I obviously can't speak for the Reaper developers but my guess is like with SAW, they focus on the people that like it, not so much worrying about those who may not.

The polarizing comes from the minority of extremes, vocal extremes, from both ends, some users who just won't shut up about it and think Jesus wrote it, and some people who don't like it regularly picking at it like it raped their sister or something, while the larger moderate not so vocal group in the middle couldn't care less, and just use it or not.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:54 pm

LawrenceF wrote: The polarizing comes from the minority of extremes, vocal extremes, from both ends, some users who just won't shut up about it and think Jesus wrote it, and some people who don't like it regularly picking at it like it raped their sister or something, while the larger moderate not so vocal group in the middle couldn't care less, and just use it or not.

AstroCastro · Post by **AstroCastro** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:24 am

jancivil wrote:Or when FLS had no actual time signatures, 'You can do anything in it you can do in any DAW anyway, only you can't because you're an idiot.'.
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It has been explained to you like a month ago that you could change since the day one the global time signature in FLS when you said in another thread that setting global time signature to 3/4 was impossible in FLS. For idiots working with multiple time signatures and setting one global time signature is the same thing.
Of course that with idiots who can't accept being wrong and who keep ignoring what other people say after being proven wrong that we need 50 times of more threads and posts because idiots simply refuse to listen and can't accept being wrong. Your another useless shit post because you can't accept being wrong can open another can of worms, just because you literally know shit what you are talking about.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:28 am

Oh my! It seems we need a new thread: Why is Fruity Loops so Fruity?

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:12 am

I remember it from it's first ever release... and it was certainly an intriguing entry to the world of daws at the time..but it did always feel like shareware and hence the confidence to really spend much time with it. Over the years, I've come to feel that it's turned into something akin to an unfocused overloaded mess of a daw with an unclear objective in what it's meant to be, that's neither intuitive nor inviting whilst still dragging it's legacy code from 2001. It has some neat features but I could never see myself producing any music in it, in the same way which I do with Studio One 3.x.x.x.

I'm not that overly impressed with Studio One's 3's flat looking gui and the default Windows bar/ menu presentation, but I mastered the way in which to provide Reaper like customisation beyond that of what Studio One provides. Not to the extent of Reaper's customisation options, but to the point where it's much nicer and comfortable all rounded..and I mean that in the literal sense

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InLight-Tone · Post by **InLight-Tone** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:45 am

rod_zero wrote:Reaper is fine and all, if you have the time and patience. What it lacks is proper UI and workflow design, some say that's because you can make what you want of it but I disagree, yes you can customize and develop your own workflow but it is not coherent in the way Live, Bitwig, Reason, Studio One, Logic or cubase are. The development has totally ignored UI and workflow, leaving it to the user.

It lacks direction, it is kind of all tools together because it is possible to implement it. For many who know what they want it may be a blessing but for others it just becomes a mess.

This times 1000^^^

I left Cubase and spent over 2 months with Reaper and came to the exact same conclusion. It feels all to much like Linux, you're constantly patching things, recompiling software, trying yo make the UI somewhat coherent, there's just TOO MANY OPTIONS leaving the whole thing feeling unhinged! I just want to plug in my new piece of hardware and get to work.

That, and the fact that Reaper devotees are somewhat analogous to born again christians, they have to bring up their "faith" somehow no matter what the conversation...

Apratim · Post by **Apratim** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:09 am

InLight-Tone wrote: That, and the fact that Reaper devotees are somewhat analogous to born again christians, they have to bring up their "faith" somehow no matter what the conversation...

what do you mean ...... ???

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:16 am

It typically goes like this:

Q: what DAWs can edit video?

Reaper User: Reaper can

Someone else: OMG can you just shut up about Reaper already, you zealot!

Apratim · Post by **Apratim** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:20 am

braj wrote:It typically goes like this:

Q: what DAWs can edit video?

Reaper User: Reaper can

Someone else: OMG can you just shut up about Reaper already, you zealot!

lol

while i was using cubase one of my friend said the same to me
i was like WTF does that have to do with my work

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:26 am

Apratim wrote:
braj wrote:It typically goes like this:

Q: what DAWs can edit video?

Reaper User: Reaper can

Someone else: OMG can you just shut up about Reaper already, you zealot!

lol while i was using cubase one of my friend said the same to me
i was like WTF does that have to do with my work

The same happens to every DAW. People somewhere out there hate every DAW under the sun and will shout down or mock other people's choices, for whatever reasons. I dunno, I'm glad we all have choices and there is competition for our dollars, and we all can find what works best for us. And I think people should Love Reaper, and Garageband, Logic or whatever simply because they do exert downward price pressure in the market, otherwise all DAWs would cost $1k. Some do.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:49 am

This is why I love Reaper:

Coming soon, free update, yay! I sold my copy of Melodyne Essential though, but it is on sale regularly enough.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:21 am

braj wrote:This is why I love Reaper:

what, that it finally got ARA support, making it the second-last DAW to do so?

Yay Reaper!

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:23 am

How do you mean second-last? Cubase doesn't have it, Live doesn't have it, Logic, PT, FL Studio, many others don't have it (ARA is an extension for all plugin formats, including AU, RTAS and AAX, so there's no reason PT or Logic couldn't support it apart from unwilligness of devs, heh). Only S1, Sonar, Waveform (Tracktion), Samplitude have it, AFAIK. And soon, Reaper too.

Unless your comment was tongue-in-cheek?

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