KVR Audio

perpetual3 · Post by **perpetual3** » Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:41 pm

Caine123 wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:31 pm woah i just updated it, awesome update, and again this tool shows it seems how much commercial releases give a f**k about loudness etc. i compare one of my tracks which i think is pretty well sounding and it is in the range of Competitive and the reference tracks are nearly all CRUSHED! lol

Mastering the Mix sent a newsletter a while ago examining the most popular music(I think - I don’t listen to popular music) and indeed maximum loudness is still the norm.

ramseysounds · Post by **ramseysounds** » Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:43 pm

Just out of curiosity, in Cubase Pro if you enable control room you can pretty much do all that this brings?

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:47 pm

perpetual3 wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:41 pm
Caine123 wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:31 pm woah i just updated it, awesome update, and again this tool shows it seems how much commercial releases give a f**k about loudness etc. i compare one of my tracks which i think is pretty well sounding and it is in the range of Competitive and the reference tracks are nearly all CRUSHED! lol
Mastering the Mix sent a newsletter a while ago examining the most popular music(I think - I don’t listen to popular music) and indeed maximum loudness is still the norm.

thx will have to check, a good article it seems
https://www.izotope.com/en/learn/record ... inees.html

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:12 pm

Why do we always hear the advice to aim at -14 LUFS, when everybody relevant is mixing hotter?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:22 pm

martinjuenke wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:12 pm Why do we always hear the advice to aim at -14 LUFS, when everybody relevant is mixing hotter?

it's a reward system.
you earn +2 lufs for every million sales

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:24 pm

martinjuenke wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:12 pm Why do we always hear the advice to aim at -14 LUFS, when everybody relevant is mixing hotter?

It's a trap!

billinder33 · Post by **billinder33** » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:45 pm

martinjuenke wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:12 pm Why do we always hear the advice to aim at -14 LUFS, when everybody relevant is mixing hotter?

Recommendations of LUFs values is mostly counterproductive. The only scenario where a LUFs recommendation makes any sense is in Atmos mixing where excessive loudness in surround can create issues on the stereo folddown.

For a native stereo mix, a song's LUF values should reflect the style and genera of music, not some arbitrary value.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:49 pm

so far i only aim to around -9 LUFS and it is CD quality/loudness states Pro-L and i have to admit, when comparing the loudness by ear e.g. of 10 tracks each around -9 LUFS they are pretty equal loudnesswise. i dont need to dial the volumecontrol afterwards manually anymore.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:57 pm

What an AWESOME update!!! I was sorely missing this. Thank you so much ADPTR!

JJ303 · Post by **JJ303** » Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:58 pm

I do not often comment on issues/behaviours in products publicly, but thought I would mention this in case anyone have any thoughts.

In my tests the 1.4 the Weighting (Slope) setting will not affect the Spectrum Bar Graphs (3rd Octave, Octave, Critical and Multi Spectrums).
The Bar Graphs will always be calibrated to a 3 db slope no matter what setting you have for the Weighting settings.
However the Plot Graph will follow the Weighting settings.
I tested on two different M1 Mac Books VST3 and VST2.

I asked the support and they initially stated that this is an expected change. I however find the behaviour a bit strange.

Note that version 1.3 had an issue with that Weighting Bar Graphs was incorrectly calibrated by 3db compared to the Plot graph, this is now fixed in 1.4.

I may personally stay on version 1.2 where all Graphs correctly followed the Weighting (Slope) setting, but will see depending on how useful the rest of the updates will be.

Maybe I’m nitpicking here, but do anyone else experience this behaviour and do you in that case find this strange?

dermage · Post by **dermage** » Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:45 pm

JJ303 wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:58 pm I do not often comment on issues/behaviours in products publicly, but thought I would mention this in case anyone have any thoughts.

In my tests the 1.4 the Weighting (Slope) setting will not affect the Spectrum Bar Graphs (3rd Octave, Octave, Critical and Multi Spectrums).
The Bar Graphs will always be calibrated to a 3 db slope no matter what setting you have for the Weighting settings.
However the Plot Graph will follow the Weighting settings.
I tested on two different M1 Mac Books VST3 and VST2.

I asked the support and they initially stated that this is an expected change. I however find the behaviour a bit strange.

Note that version 1.3 had an issue with that Weighting Bar Graphs was incorrectly calibrated by 3db compared to the Plot graph, this is now fixed in 1.4.

I may personally stay on version 1.2 where all Graphs correctly followed the Weighting (Slope) setting, but will see depending on how useful the rest of the updates will be.

Maybe I’m nitpicking here, but do anyone else experience this behaviour and do you in that case find this strange?

did you talk to PA support or directly to Marc/ADPTR?

JJ303 · Post by **JJ303** » Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:27 pm

dermage wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:45 pm
JJ303 wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:58 pm I do not often comment on issues/behaviours in products publicly, but thought I would mention this in case anyone have any thoughts.

In my tests the 1.4 the Weighting (Slope) setting will not affect the Spectrum Bar Graphs (3rd Octave, Octave, Critical and Multi Spectrums).
The Bar Graphs will always be calibrated to a 3 db slope no matter what setting you have for the Weighting settings.
However the Plot Graph will follow the Weighting settings.
I tested on two different M1 Mac Books VST3 and VST2.

I asked the support and they initially stated that this is an expected change. I however find the behaviour a bit strange.

Note that version 1.3 had an issue with that Weighting Bar Graphs was incorrectly calibrated by 3db compared to the Plot graph, this is now fixed in 1.4.

I may personally stay on version 1.2 where all Graphs correctly followed the Weighting (Slope) setting, but will see depending on how useful the rest of the updates will be.

Maybe I’m nitpicking here, but do anyone else experience this behaviour and do you in that case find this strange?
did you talk to PA support or directly to Marc/ADPTR?

I emailed PA support that talked with ADPTR and PA support forward answer.
I now have received more clarification and will quote the answer from ADPTR why this behaviour have changed and is how it is now as ADPTR probably explains it better than me.
//--------
The Bar graphs are designed to show distribution of power tuned to be flat.
Spectrums Plots are calibrated to be Flat with White Noise and display a roll off with Pink Noise, Octave Bar (and 1/3 etc) are calibrated to be Flat with Pink Noise, so they should not be attached to the same Weighting settings as the PLOT. So, when weighting = 0dB, Plot is flat (white noise) and Bars are flat (Pink Noise).
--------//

I have to take it as this is the expected and now correct behaviour.

However I'm still finding it worrying that in version 1.2 the Weighting affected both Bar and Plot graph and to all I could see gave correct result. And in version 1.3 it was an obvious issue with weighting being off 3 db between Bar and Plot graph.
Also throws you off when something you thought you could rely on in prior version may have been incorrect all along without you knowing.

noddog · Post by **noddog** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 8:57 pm

Looks good, but $279 right now??

Is this one of the PA plugs that can be had for $29 if you time it right?

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:01 pm

noddog wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 8:57 pm Looks good, but $279 right now??

Is this one of the PA plugs that can be had for $29 if you time it right?

yes

PieBerger · Post by **PieBerger** » Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:19 am

noddog wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 8:57 pm Looks good, but $279 right now??

Is this one of the PA plugs that can be had for $29 if you time it right?

Yes, although it hasn't dropped below $49 for a little while now, presumably because they had an update to fund! It's still incredibly good value at 50 bucks imo, it's one of the only plugins I actively encourage others to buy.

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