Creativity and originality are the most important aspects of making music is a myth? (Article Excerpt)

[Bombadil]

I have one of those! Never learned to play it, though. Wife gave it to me for an Advent calendar present.

[vurt]

given what babies are being given as educational tv, the night garden type thing, in about 10 years from now, i expect a psychedelic explosion that makes the 60s look monochrome

[Gamma-UT]

Anyhoo, some things I didn't get time for earlier:

Audiences are not selecting the music are they? And outside of stage musical adaptations they are not selecting the film they go to see based on the music. I'd be interested to see an example where the music was the reason audiences stayed away from any movie (that wasn't explicitly tagged a musical).

Conversely, music doesn't help a film. John Powell turned out a fine score for X-Men 3. The movie was still terrible.

This entire paragraph is irrelevant.

The audiences react to what they're being shown — they react increasingly negatively, yet you defend the shit the producers put out anyway. Like a good little consoomer!

I see when all else fails you just make something up and call it a zinger.

Audiences don't pick music for a movie. Maybe you need a diagram to help you out here. Who do you think picks it? The tooth fairy?

Second, I'm not sure what I've defended here other than Powell's score for this particular film. Are you saying it's bad? That's an interesting position to take. Maybe you could provide some reasons to justify that notion.

Most of the music that Williams and stuff composed for film is not contrapuntal like a fugue or something.

Err, OK. I hate to break it to you but this doesn't make you sound smart.

The difference between the old stuff and the modern is that the old stuff was far stronger melodically and regarding orchestration in general.

Well, when you get the opportunity to nick the melodies from works that are so old they never fell under copyright you're a bit daft to focus on the crap ones.

[Gamma-UT]

given what babies are being given as educational tv, the night garden type thing, in about 10 years from now, i expect a psychedelic explosion that makes the 60s look monochrome

Teletubbies were big in the 90s. And now we got Future Bass. Just sayin'

[Bombadil]

Entropy. That's what we can expect.

NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!

[vurt]

given what babies are being given as educational tv, the night garden type thing, in about 10 years from now, i expect a psychedelic explosion that makes the 60s look monochrome

Teletubbies were big in the 90s. And now we got Future Bass. Just sayin'

yeah but teletubbies was pure techno, so the evolution was obvious really.
night garden goes beyond normal senses in to crowleys dream realms. esoterica 101 for babies, and people say we are going backwards?

[vurt]

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[Gamma-UT]

yeah but teletubbies was pure techno, so the evolution was obvious really.
night garden goes beyond normal senses in to crowleys dream realms. esoterica 101 for babies, and people say we are going backwards?

Well, it first aired in 2007, so I guess we've got about five years before we find out.

I'm guessing Hawkwind crossed with K-Pop and Ligeti.

[vurt]

[vurt]

not sure who said it, might even be me?

a artist doesnt see the world as it is, he imagines worlds as they could be.

[Gamma-UT]

BRB, I think I can get a jump on this genre...

[Gamma-UT]

not sure who said it, might even be me?

a artist doesnt see the world as it is, he imagines worlds as they could be.

I think it might be you.

There are some not dissimilar ones from Pablo (who never got called an asshole): https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes ... lo_Picasso

"Everything you can imagine is real."

"Others have seen what is and asked why. I have seen what could be and asked why not."

He had a bunch of them. Got confused about which way was up in his pictures though, apparently.

There is also the non-Pablo: "Artists don't see things as they are. Artists see things as we are." - Anaïs Nin (apparently borrowed from a phrase in the Talmud)

And "No great artist ever sees things as they really are. If he did, he would cease to be an artist." - Wilde (not sure if this one is actually Wilde or just attrib)

[vurt]

yay! im likely to go down in history now, all thanks to this thread

think ive heard the picasso ones and paraphrased
trust me to pick a charlatans shoulders to stand on

[empphryio]

Clearly the stuff on the radio sucks now. The millennial whoop, Taylor Swift, etc.

Even then, for every Taylor Swift you've got a Grimes and a Sia. And that's just in pop. Cast the net wider and there's a ton of stuff out there. It just doesn't get on the radio.

The charts are always full of junk. People only think it was better way back then because they remember the good bits. I remember Top of the Pops as a teenager. It mostly sucked. Hooray for gatekeepers, eh?

For my parents' generation it seemed worse because of the unnerring ability of kids to find genres their parents will hate and...well you know the rest. Where my parents might have hated distorted guitars now we've got bubblegum chords and overcooked autotune. I wonder what the autotune generation will despise.

Technology changes have made it increasingly important to immediately catch the listener. So you want it simplistic and you want it to sound similar to other stuff. It's always been this way but it's getting much worse because of the internet. Now you just immediately click off something. You don't have to give it a chance because you just bought it at the record store without having first heard it. So now you have the millennial whoop for example. To people who really care about music this is terrible. The average person doesn't really care.

[Gamma-UT]

The bastards. THEY ARE OUTLINING CHORD TONES!! HAVE THEY NO SHAME??!???!!!

I bet that never happened before. Aren't there a bunch of songs from the 80s with similar yodels? (That are mostly forgotten now).

I blame karaoke for this one, personally. It's easy to singalong.

The average person does care when they get bored with it, just like every other overused stylistic convention once it becomes so much of a cliché people start laughing and pointing. It's not going to collapse society.