more people need to try renoise

[gentleclockdivider]

It's not my job to convince you , but you were asking what a tracker can do better compared to a regular daw ..
Messing with crossfades , and loading up reaktor block for using multibreakpoint stuff seems like an awfull waste of precious time , which can be spend better making music ( in a tracker
I use reaktor , renoise all the time ...both for their strengths .
Imho , if you don't fully know renoise inside out , you can't really have a solid opinion about it strengths and weaknesses , and that goes for everything ( sadly the majority of humanity does not agree )

[cron]

Imho , if you don't fully know renoise inside out , you can't really have a solid opinion about it strengths and weaknesses , and that goes for everything ( sadly the majority of humanity does not agree )

I guess we view trackers in the same way JO512 views Reaper. I know how deep Reaper can go 'in theory', and similarly how impenetrable Reaper can seem to outsiders. Trackers almost certainly seem even more impenetrable than Reaper does on first boot to someone who's never used it. JO512 is talking about really crazy deep Reaper functionality that I have no clue about. I talk about how incredibly fast working with samples is in trackers, but I've actually got no idea how quick it is in Reaper.

I guess it comes down to a workflow philosophy thing: do you want to visually cut up samples on a linear timeline, or do you want to memorise the structure of the sample and manipulate the playback head. When you move from tracker to 'conventional' DAW (or vice versa), you're not so much learning a new program as you are being asked to adopt an entirely new editing philosophy. Having said that, a lot of Renoise users seem to beatslice in a more conventional way these days rather than using playhead commands (now that memory isn't an issue - tracking was fun with my then-gargantuan 16MB of RAM!)

When I'm into it, there's something really magical and strongly tactile about controlling the playhead so directly, creating everything from rhythmic cut-up mayhem to frazzled granular synthesis using nothing but the sequencer and your keyboard at lightning speed. Almost like the interface has disappeared and you are the sampler. I don't think it's a coincidence that gentleclockdivider mentioned using a nice clicky, tactile mechanical keyboard. It's a feeling as much as a philosophy, y'know...

[JO512]

Thanks for all the thoughts! I am beginning to see some more possibilities with Renoise as I listen to you guys and try things out. Still not sure it's for me, but I'm still intrigued enough to check it out further.

[gentleclockdivider]

Imho , if you don't fully know renoise inside out , you can't really have a solid opinion about it strengths and weaknesses , and that goes for everything ( sadly the majority of humanity does not agree )

Almost like the interface has disappeared and you are the sampler.

Spot On

[antic604]

I don't think it's a coincidence that gentleclockdivider mentioned using a nice clicky, tactile mechanical keyboard. It's a feeling as much as a philosophy, y'know...

You ain't wrong about that. Probably trackers will see a resurgence now that Apple fixed the keyboard in their 2020 MacBook Pro lineup

[Gamma-UT]

When I'm into it, there's something really magical and strongly tactile about controlling the playhead so directly, creating everything from rhythmic cut-up mayhem to frazzled granular synthesis using nothing but the sequencer and your keyboard at lightning speed. Almost like the interface has disappeared and you are the sampler. I don't think it's a coincidence that gentleclockdivider mentioned using a nice clicky, tactile mechanical keyboard. It's a feeling as much as a philosophy, y'know...

I will tend to make different decisions based on whether I'm typing things into Renoise/Redux or doing it graphically. Because you have to mentally picture the sample rather than see it, slicing decisions that land in happy accidents seem to be easier to make. It's also hard to resist slapping in pitch and other edits at the same time where they might be a faff in a graphical environment. As they're quick to edit, you can kill things that don't work and try something else very easily where you might be hitting undo, undo and pulling clips apart in, say, the Ableton timeline.

[antic604]

i think if it just added a few more features it could hit an angle like ableton live and fl studio do

can everyone go out and demo renoise please tonight
no piano roll lovely

Someone heard you

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[Kinh]

This is a noise generator with an envelope follower, right?

[Catharsis Cat]

Asking what Renoise can do that Reaper can't probably isn't the best way of looking at things. Especially when you're comparing just Renoise vs. another DAW + lots of plugins. Like there is usually more than one way to achieve a particular result, you don't need Renoise to create glitchy sample mangled stuff, it's just got good out of the box support for it.

The appeal for me in Renoise or other trackers is how it puts you in a different frame of mind in terms of tools and workflow. When I use Renoise I write different stuff than I would on a traditional DAW, it pushes me towards different things. TIn a way it's the same kind of deal with trackers as it is eurorack or livecoding or any other non-typical method of music making. It's not going to be for everyone, but it's a good way to break out of current habits possibly inspire some cool stuff.

[xbitz]

^^^ not sure in it but IMO MIDI note triggerable phrases(can be MIDI or sample ones) can't be reproduced so easily in Reaper (I know Playtime)

so they can be created quite easily using some extension (check the video) after they can be played from any position in any direction at any speed can be resampled the created sample can be chopped further the chopped parts can be triggered from the main sequencer with different macroable fx chains etc.

[kippertoffee]

Someone heard you

He actually released an album which included renoise song files around 2012-ish, so he's been a user for a while.

[antic604]

Someone heard you

He actually released an album which included renoise song files around 2012-ish, so he's been a user for a while.

Yeah, I know he is. It was just a funny coincidence seeing his tweet (with Renoise in the background) right now