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Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:17 am

Buddah Buddy wrote:Kidneys/Liver...

there see I learned something...I'll probably forget it but I learned it

Buddah Buddy · Post by **Buddah Buddy** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:20 am

Makes you blind too...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:30 am

Buddah Buddy wrote: Makes you blind too...

well that explains the wife...

J/K I make a lot of jokes about my wife, but the truth (seriously) is she's the greatest....

Emerald Tablet · Post by **Emerald Tablet** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:43 am

Doug Nelson wrote:I guess my age is showing, but music to me has melody, meter, etc. So much of the new stuff I hear today sounds like someone throwing scrap metal at cats.

But I try to keep an open mind, and I thought perhaps someone could share with me what they get out of these montages of gloops and glitches?

Mmmmm i think there has always been a lot of dead wood. The trick of building a long and rich listening life in realy any musical era is to separate the wheat from the chaff. Melody and meter are buildingblocks of structures fitting in the puzzle of your referencescale. Structures which are building blocks to wider your referencescale again untill you die. However your developed taste will speak through your music making you somehow immortal.

montages of gloops and glitches are not realy different from melody and meter, merely componentes in a whole, and the spirit and broad-minded nature of the author is the only essence of any piece.

remco

cron · Post by **cron** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:52 am

Amberience.

You wouldn't be starting that course at Middlesex, would you?

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 10:33 am

Doug Nelson wrote:I guess my age is showing, but music to me has melody, meter, etc. So much of the new stuff I hear today sounds like someone throwing scrap metal at cats.

I blame John Lennon. Revolution Number 9.

dystonia_ek · Post by **dystonia_ek** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:30 pm

Buddah Buddy wrote:As rubbish as people think he is, Merzbow has produced some of the most relaxing, yet very abrasive music, I've heard. I get weird looks, but Merzbow in the car at a moderate level is like sitting by the ocean... to me of course

A lot of the best noise actually does create a very meditative space in the right environment. Merzbow does this particularly well live - especially in a smaller venue. Noise works best for me when it becomes almost like a kind of sensory deprivation - clears the mind in a way that most music doesn't.

The thing is, though, that noise is like any other type of music in that there's a lot of substandard work in the genre - especially since the mid-1990's. Noise is one of the most difficult types of music to do well - as with any other kind of music, you have to dig for the gems, as it were. There is also much more sonic variation in this area than exists in a lot of other genres - maybe not evident to some people, but then again I can't tell trance or r&b records apart!

But, as a friend of mine once wisely said, all music is basically noise when you think about it.

-jmz.h

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:36 pm

right ive gone away and thought about it,its basically self expression.thats it really.

for me personally i dont think my stuff is great but,what im hoping for by putting it out there is that people will,and do,help me to get better at my art.thats what it is to me i dont make music,im not trained to do that and leave that to experts.but what i do like is the idea that i can paint a picture in sound

some people actually enjoy my stuff too,which i have to be honest was a bit of a shock at first.

but i think you hit the nail on the head your self when you said you enjoyed it,why shouldnt we enjoy it too,just cos i aint got a clue what notes what

so basically thats it really express yourself and enjoy doing it,dont worry about how others choose to if it doesnt float your monkey

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:27 pm

cron wrote:Amberience.

You wouldn't be starting that course at Middlesex, would you?

I am in fact. Why, have I made a friend or enemy already???

unknown user · Post by **unknown user** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:29 pm

dystonia_ek wrote:A lot of the best noise actually does create a very meditative space in the right environment...becomes almost like a kind of sensory deprivation - clears the mind in a way that most music doesn't.

Thank you for saying this, this "clicks" with me, and helps me understand this issue a little better. Sometimes late in the afternoon after work, I can fall fast asleep with guitar music blaring loudly (e.g. metal, grunge, cl. rock) which I suppose serves the same purpose as intentionally composed noise. Also I can see how it wouldn't necessarily have to be melodic, or even rhythmic really.

My rant about all the repetitive mindless loop based stuff (very far back in thread) was merely an attempt to express my sense of, as you say, "substandard rubbish".

So...to dystonia_ek and all the other articulate posters...my horizons have indeed been expanded by all this.

Perhaps true that, since it's "art", then anything goes. But I still have trouble viewing trance, dnb, rave, blah blah, droning mindless repetitive "rubbish" (dons flame-retardant suit) as having any lasting merit, or deserving any consideration as serious art. IMO.

And yet, paradoxically, I insist on hanging on to the popular music of my early adulthood as if it had value as something other than throwaway pablum cynically crafted to maximize its mass appeal.

Ultimately, my question morphs into: "Where does disposable pop culture end, and serious art begin?"

OK maybe I should start a new thread, since that's getting away from the OP.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:49 pm

We're a reminiscent species by nature, so that could explain why you're so fond of your early adulthood music. Many other people might here the same music and give it absolutely no merit.

You know that song by Celine Dion, My Heart Goes On. Now, without her shitty vocals, I absolutely love that track!!

The reason is because it was once played at a schoolmates funeral, and it just reminds me of them. Other people probably think its shit, but I have my own reasons for thinking otherwise.

I can be quite passionate about the music I listen to, so it comes as no surprise when people tell me I come across as though I'm trying to force my music on them. Which I'm obviously not, people can listen to whatever they like.

cron · Post by **cron** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:57 pm

Amberience wrote:
cron wrote:Amberience.

You wouldn't be starting that course at Middlesex, would you?
I am in fact. Why, have I made a friend or enemy already???

Well, shit!

Just got my place there confirmed 2 days ago. See you there come September.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:59 pm

Sweet. Got any tracks online I can entertain?

cron · Post by **cron** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:21 pm

Amberience wrote:

Sweet. Got any tracks online I can entertain?

Nope. Haven't had webspace since I moved from NTL. Most of my stuff rarely escapes the confines of Audiomulch anyway

I tend to veer from drone minimalism to deeply silly stuff like John Barnes rap hack-ups. The last thing I did was chop Flip Reverse by Blazin' Squad into a 13/4 prog track

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:24 pm

The last experimental thing I did was when my friend Jez came around, and we smoked some pot and then used a pair of headphones as a microphone and made silly sounds!!

He did this really weird vocal about putting things inside his japs eye.

... was funny at the time.

Dissonance my assonance