Navira (Virus, JP8k hyper/supersaw emulation) ?

[zvenx]

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So as it stands now, it seems that for a software Virus Viper is much better option than this in every respect.

Viper is also Windows only no?
So i am not sure i agree with you...
rsp

[recursive one]

Viper is also Windows only no?

Yes, it is (keep forgetting about that )

But Mac users have Spire and Hive doing hypersaw and other Virus things.

The synth does sound nice, from these videos, but the price/no demo/not enough infromation about the actual features (especially in English) makes it hard to take it as a serious competitor to more established developers.

[zvenx]

But yes I agree with :

The synth does sound nice, from these videos, but the price/no demo/not enough infromation about the actual features (especially in English) makes it hard to take it as a serious competitor to more established developers.

rsp

[starflakeprj]

I also think the synth sounds nice, and would probably pay about 79 usd/eur, even tbough I probably have more or less every software synth in existance. Except Omnisphere and a very few other

[v1o]

It's hard to say which of them is more capable since Navira has some hidden functions which aren't talked about much in ther videos and there is no demo.

Still, Viper has a proper demo, reasonable price, a reponsive developer who is well know for his other plugins and soundsets. Also Viper emulates a lot of other functions of Virus beyond the hypersaw (that hypersaw had been cloned multiple times so it's not unique to the Virus anymore).

So as it stands now, it seems that for a software Virus Viper is much better option than this in every respect.

Why anybody would clone what is already an inferior copy of something else is beyond me. Hypersaw is nice but doesn't quite cut it, the Jp8k is still the king of super saws.

[Halonmusic]

i suppose he has fixed all the bugs then

Yes I fixed all the main issues in Viper.

ok nice.

[DuX]

I'm as excited as a cat who's just had a big meal of her favourite food and lying on a warm bed.

The presets are simply drowned in reverb, too. It's pretty annoying and an obvious sign they're trying their best to hide what the synth sounds like raw. Kinda like seeing a burger on a McDonald's add, then buying one and being surprised that it doesn't look like the one on the picture.

It's tough times, plus the x-mas is coming. You will see many half-baked products, and good, or just plain bad products on offer, "new versions with incredible new features", just trying to make a buck. Many people have lost their jobs and don't have any savings to spend on treats of this kind this year.

On the other hand, there are sales everywhere and you might use some money to buy something really good you've always wanted to buy. Just take a look at Plugin-Boutique, for example. So many sales, and quite a few good plugins you can have for much less than usual. I can feel the gas coming.... ooops, it's just beans.

[AdvancedFollower]

It's hard to say which of them is more capable since Navira has some hidden functions which aren't talked about much in ther videos and there is no demo.

Still, Viper has a proper demo, reasonable price, a reponsive developer who is well know for his other plugins and soundsets. Also Viper emulates a lot of other functions of Virus beyond the hypersaw (that hypersaw had been cloned multiple times so it's not unique to the Virus anymore).

So as it stands now, it seems that for a software Virus Viper is much better option than this in every respect.

Why anybody would clone what is already an inferior copy of something else is beyond me. Hypersaw is nice but doesn't quite cut it, the Jp8k is still the king of super saws.

At a technical level, the Supersaw was just a "hack" to simulate multiple detuned saws using the very limited DSP available in early digital synths. It's not some super advanced, inimitable tech that would require a super computer and decades of development to clone. The developer of JP6K and Viper actually wrote a paper on it, it's pretty interesting.

The Virus Hypersaw is technically an improvement, not an inferior copy. They removed much of the aliasing that was present in the Roland version. They could have made it just as nasty as the original, but they wanted to improve it and take advantage of the greater DSP power available when the Virus TI was developed. Also there's nothing preventing a modern VST from generating tens or hundreds of actual, completely independent saw waveforms with virtually none of the aliasing or other digital artifacts present in the JP8K Supersaw. People just like the bright and airy sound of the original, probably because of nostalgia since it was used in so many tracks in the late 90's/early 00's.

[v1o]

It's hard to say which of them is more capable since Navira has some hidden functions which aren't talked about much in ther videos and there is no demo.

Still, Viper has a proper demo, reasonable price, a reponsive developer who is well know for his other plugins and soundsets. Also Viper emulates a lot of other functions of Virus beyond the hypersaw (that hypersaw had been cloned multiple times so it's not unique to the Virus anymore).

So as it stands now, it seems that for a software Virus Viper is much better option than this in every respect.

Why anybody would clone what is already an inferior copy of something else is beyond me. Hypersaw is nice but doesn't quite cut it, the Jp8k is still the king of super saws.

At a technical level, the Supersaw was just a "hack" to simulate multiple detuned saws using the very limited DSP available in early digital synths. It's not some super advanced, inimitable tech that would require a super computer and decades of development to clone. The developer of JP6K and Viper actually wrote a paper on it, it's pretty interesting.

The Virus Hypersaw is technically an improvement, not an inferior copy. They removed much of the aliasing that was present in the Roland version. They could have made it just as nasty as the original, but they wanted to improve it and take advantage of the greater DSP power available when the Virus TI was developed. Also there's nothing preventing a modern VST from generating tens or hundreds of actual, completely independent saw waveforms with virtually none of the aliasing or other digital artifacts present in the JP8K Supersaw. People just like the bright and airy sound of the original, probably because of nostalgia since it was used in so many tracks in the late 90's/early 00's.

The original hardware JP8000 super saw sounds wider and more impressive than any of the copies. The aliasing was/is a part of the sound. In the 90's super saws became so popular that other manufactures had to add similar features to keyboards in order to be competitive. Access had their own implementation added to the Virus. Novation had their own implementation for their Super Nova series. And these were featured heavily in the marketing. But none of them sounded as good as the original, even subsequent Roland keyboards like the Sh-201 and Gaia SH-01, didn't have as good a super saw sound. But I'm told the V-synth gets pretty close, but its cleaner than the original, not quite as filthy.

Here is a super saw comparison, the Virus is included, if you listen closely the original has distinct character and width that is unrivalled even by modern synths like the Moog One and Kyra.

[chk071]

I think, in the SH-201 and Gaia, the supersaw was sampled. Fortunately Roland stpped up their game a bit with their latest digital and software synths.

[Digivolt]

Here is a super saw comparison, the Virus is included, if you listen closely the original has distinct character and width that is unrivalled even by modern synths like the Moog One and Kyra.

No Yamaha AN1X in his comparison

[Whywhy]

I like the supersaw in Diva.
Perhaps not the best replica, idk, but with all the Diva goodies, it's really great and a must have!

[chk071]

Best supersaw/hypersaw has Spire IMO. Especially when you set the density to 100% (simulates the detuning behavior of the JP-8k), it sounds absolutely great.

[AnX]

I prefer unison, much more old school

[recursive one]

Best supersaw/hypersaw has Spire IMO. Especially when you set the density to 100% (simulates the detuning behavior of the JP-8k), it sounds absolutely great.

Yep. Virus TI has 10/10 hypersaw awesomeness rating, Spire 9.5/10

Sylenth- 9/10, Hive2 - 8/10, Dune3, Rapid - 7/10, Serum - 6/10

Not that these figures matter anything lol, just my personal preferences for this specific sound