Reason 13.1 Update feature discussion

[sQeetz]

The one thing I would like to see properly implemented in Reason is dark mode. Why do the plugin wrapper elements ("keep open", "automate",....) plus titlebar etc.... still be white even when dark mode is enabled? That's just one element of a couple of dozens that don't fit visually.

[liquidsound]

^^^ Maybe they hired someone from Cockos

[LaLivre]

The one thing I would like to see properly implemented in Reason is dark mode. Why do the plugin wrapper elements ("keep open", "automate",....) plus titlebar etc.... still be white even when dark mode is enabled? That's just one element of a couple of dozens that don't fit visually.

For the same reason that each new sequencer lane is given a different color (since ages), even if it belongs to the same device group: RS doesn't give a damn about the most basic things (since ages).

The people in charge may don't have the skills to recognize these things in time and can't seem to own up to mistakes afterwards. They need to publicly involve and communicate with customers and then fix the problems quickly.

It's as simple as that.

[kmonkey]

You either switch to the pencil to create notes AND change velocity, or click in the notes with the pointer tool and use the ALT-key to switch temporarily to the pencil to alter velocity. If you are clicking in notes with the pointer and are not aware of the ALT-key switcher... well, you should have RTFM

You know I was like curious...this guy tells me it is so easy to edit notes which I had trouble with, so what did I do wrong then? So I was curious, went to try what you said, and immediately remembered why their MIDI editing is criminal activity and why you are incorrect.

Here I select just top notes and I try to edit their (only selected) notes yet for some silly reason Reason edits unselected notes as well.

And here is a GIF. I select only notes in channel 6. Press ALT key and then go down to edit their velocity. But for some super stupid reason, Reason altered my note in Channel 1 which was never selected in the first place.


The fact that I now need to do research on how can I edit notes without altering notes that I DID NOT select is exactly the reason why I have a problem with them.

In every other MIDI editor I could figure this out easily or should I say: in every other MIDI editor a goddamn unselected note isn't about to be edited unless I select it which seems kinda logical which is probably why EVERYONE out there applied to this logic apart from Reason.

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Another super silly waste of resources is the fact that my velocity screen/window is at max. Simply put I can not increase the height of the velocity editing window more than you can see on this screen. Or the height of the note window even with zoom maxed. This means almost 1/3 of the screen is completely wasted on nothing. Literally empty space.

In every other app, I can enlarge the MIDI editor to my liking including all the elements of it. It makes a difference on multiple screens.

And I just realized the Reason browser is tied to one screen. Reading their forum this is not my setup issue it's their thing. You can not move it to other screens as if Reason is incapable of detecting multiple screens when it comes to a browser. Brilliant.

If I open it in front of Redrum then it is covering well... Redrum. This is especially bad if Reason Zoom is set to 140%. If I try to move it to another screen it does not let me. In Reason 12 my browser was docked to the left and I was always able to see devices.

So basically it took me 15 minutes to discover all the atrocities of R13 and it keeps getting fun. Fun fact: I paid an upgrade to R13 after I saw these ridiculous changes. So don't tell me I am a hater.

[Anosou]

You either switch to the pencil to create notes AND change velocity, or click in the notes with the pointer tool and use the ALT-key to switch temporarily to the pencil to alter velocity. If you are clicking in notes with the pointer and are not aware of the ALT-key switcher... well, you should have RTFM

You know I was like curious...this guy tells me it is so easy to edit notes which I had trouble with, so what did I do wrong then? So I was curious, went to try what you said, and immediately remembered why their MIDI editing is criminal activity and why you are incorrect.

Here I select just top notes and I try to edit their (only selected) notes yet for some silly reason Reason edits unselected notes as well.

If you hold Shift while drawing, the pen tool will only affect the selected notes and ignore the velocity of any unselected notes.

[crimsonwarlock]

If you hold Shift while drawing, the pen tool will only affect the selected notes and ignore the velocity of any unselected notes.

Yep, and it even works when you use the ALT-key to quickly shift from the select-tool to the pencil, by holding ALT and SHIFT together.

[kmonkey]

If you hold Shift while drawing, the pen tool will only affect the selected notes and ignore the velocity of any unselected notes.

True that. I tried and it works. He said alt so I went with ALT.

It should work without holding shifts that's what I am saying.

I mean my response was to the people asking what is wrong with some aspects of it.

Here is my case. If I select notes, make specific selections on notes, and then work on them, only selected notes should be edited affected - end of story. Why would I want to select notes in the first place if a pencil works on any note regardless of selection? Can you see the discrepancy here?

Very illogical.

[kmonkey]

If you hold Shift while drawing, the pen tool will only affect the selected notes and ignore the velocity of any unselected notes.

Yep, and it even works when you use the ALT-key to quickly shift from the select-tool to the pencil, by holding ALT and SHIFT together.

Yep. And just stupid.

If I select notes to edit, it means I will...selected which notes I want to edit.

Then only selected notes should be affected without any shortcut pressed. I just checked Live, MuLab, and Reaper. All behave 100% the same as expected. You select notes and from there only selected notes (and their velocities) are edited regardless of what is above or below them in the same beat place. No need for a manual or one or two keystrokes to that.

Pretty sure it works in Cubase as well. All behave the same. When the user selects specific notes only selected notes and their velocities are edited. No need for extra keypress, why would it be if I preselected them?

But hey Reasosn knows better.

[crimsonwarlock]

He said alt so I went with ALT.

You didn't explain in your initial message about this that your problem was with overlapping notes. I pointed to the ALT-key to quickly switch between the select-tool and the pencil, as I thought that might have been your issue. I couldn't have meant it as a solution to your actual problem because you didn't mention your actual problem.

[kmonkey]

You didn't explain in your initial message about this that your problem was with overlapping notes. I pointed to the ALT-key to quickly switch between the select-tool and the pencil, as I thought that might have been your issue. I couldn't have meant it as a solution to your actual problem because you didn't mention your actual problem.

Look I am not blaming you or something. Someone (was it you) asked what was wrong with Reason workflow and I pointed MIDI editor from the top of my mind. Because I recalled my frustration from that aspect.

And someone perhaps it was you told me about the ALT key like it is some sort of a second coming of a Jesus.

I was intrigued about it and said to myself perhaps I was wrong.

I wasn't wrong.

MIDI editor in Reason is an abomination. You can not dispute that.

The fact that 1/3 of a screen is completely wasted into empty space (look at my screenshot on the previous page) is enough to support my claim but if that is not enough let me repicture it for everyone reading this and telling me I should use SHIFT or ALT after I select notes in Reason:

To edit specific Velocities in Reason AFTER notes are selected one needs to have two hands available. Literally. One hand to hold some keys on the keyboard. One to move the mouse and paint velocity.

That is absurd.

In all other DAW applications in the industry, you need just one hand. You select notes and edit those selected notes with the same hand, same notes.

Capish now?

What do you think which way is better for "Workflow"?

When you can use one hand less clicks, or when in fact you need two hands to do the same action and more clicks?

Yes exactly.

Workflow is something Ryan from Reason Studios praises so much it is unreal. I open my toilet in the morning and Ryan is screaming "Reason has an awesome workflow" from the bottom of my toilet.

No, it doesn't. It has in some aspects. But where people spend most time when working in music software which is (surprise) note editor - Reason lacks all intellect and logic.

I just pointed out to you that you need two hands to do an action which is possible to do with one hand in every other music software I ever tried - without reading the manual.

You would need to be hardcore Reason partisan to negate that.

[liquidsound]

You didn't explain in your initial message about this that your problem was with overlapping notes. I pointed to the ALT-key to quickly switch between the select-tool and the pencil, as I thought that might have been your issue. I couldn't have meant it as a solution to your actual problem because you didn't mention your actual problem.

Look I am not blaming you or something. Someone (was it you) asked what was wrong with Reason workflow and I pointed MIDI editor from the top of my mind. Because I recalled my frustration from that aspect.

And someone perhaps it was you told me about the ALT key like it is some sort of a second coming of a Jesus.

I was intrigued about it and said to myself perhaps I was wrong.

I wasn't wrong.

MIDI editor in Reason is an abomination. You can not dispute that.

The fact that 1/3 of a screen is completely wasted into empty space (look at my screenshot on the previous page) is enough to support my claim but if that is not enough let me repicture it for everyone reading this and telling me I should use SHIFT or ALT after I select notes in Reason:

To edit specific Velocities in Reason AFTER notes are selected one needs to have two hands available. Literally. One hand to hold some keys on the keyboard. One to move the mouse and paint velocity.

That is absurd.

In all other DAW applications in the industry, you need just one hand. You select notes and edit those selected notes with the same hand, same notes.

Capish now?

What do you think which way is better for "Workflow"?

When you can use one hand less clicks, or when in fact you need two hands to do the same action and more clicks?

Yes exactly.

Workflow is something Ryan from Reason Studios praises so much it is unreal. I open my toilet in the morning and Ryan is screaming "Reason has an awesome workflow" from the bottom of my toilet.

No, it doesn't. It has in some aspects. But where people spend most time when working in music software which is (surprise) note editor - Reason lacks all intellect and logic.

I just pointed out to you that you need two hands to do an action which is possible to do with one hand in every other music software I ever tried - without reading the manual.

You would need to be hardcore Reason partisan to negate that.

In most cases you can use the Note Velocity editor in the side tool panel and drag to desired value (one hand operation still).
But I get your message, there are cases where that method will not work well.

[crimsonwarlock]

Look I am not blaming you or something.

And someone perhaps it was you told me about the ALT key like it is some sort of a second coming of a Jesus.

Capish now?

Why the hostile, passive-aggressive attitude?

I'm indeed the one pointing you at the ALT-key. I also already explained why I did that (trying to help), as you didn't exactly explain you had another problem.

After you made clear what didn't work for you, someone else pointed to a solution. The fact that you don't like it doesn't negate the proposed solution. You could consider the possibility that we are just trying to help.

Rest assured, I won't make any further suggestions to you

[blumus]

Hi. Has anyone encountered an issue in Reason 12.7 or Reason 13.1 where dragging an effect, instrument, or player doesn’t always allow you to add it to the rack ? Quite often, I find that I need to click on another device or somewhere else in the rack to seemingly 'unlock' the ability to drag and drop items from the device panel.

It’s a bit frustrating, as it disrupts the workflow, and I’m wondering if this is a known bug or perhaps something related to my setup. If anyone has experienced this or has a solution, I’d appreciate hearing your insights!
Thanks

[LaLivre]

You didn't explain in your initial message about this that your problem was with overlapping notes. I pointed to the ALT-key to quickly switch between the select-tool and the pencil, as I thought that might have been your issue. I couldn't have meant it as a solution to your actual problem because you didn't mention your actual problem.

Reason lacks all intellect and logic.

Reasons product management guys lacks all intellect and logic...

[kmonkey]

Why the hostile, passive-aggressive attitude?

Rest assured, I won't make any further suggestions to you

No man fine I deserved this I was a jerk but my rant wasn't aimed directly at you it is more a consequence of frustration caused by them (Reason Studios). Sorry about that. I apologize and won't be surprised if you never respond to me.