Arturia Jup-8000 V

[martiu]

i tried the demo, the new arp is fantastic, the sequencer is very nice, i love the drag and drop modulation, the sound is not your typical fat analog, it is kind of glossy and clean, i was able to make some nice pads, overall very good instrument, easy to program, the UI is super

[Nug Wrangler]

Hi

[zerocrossing]

I wonder about the wisdom of developing an emulation like this, unless you can perfectly nail down the sound of the original, AND add on a few cool features. The die hard fans are never going to be satisfied with anything but the original. Casual fans are already happy with modern tools that do similar things.

So who is this for? Seems like the market is pretty tiny, unless those being critical of how far it sounds from the original are just suffering from confirmation bias. I personally don’t have any nostalgia for the 8000, and the additional features don’t really excite me.

[Vortifex]

I own a ton of emulations but have only actually played a handful of real synths, so I tend to judge the sound mostly on its own merits and don't really care if it's not a 100% accurate emulation. GUI and workflow are important to me, so if I don't like the feel of using something then I won't use it, even if I like the sound of it.

I find the slide-out interface on this quite annoying because it slides out from the bottom, forcing part of it off the screen. On my other Arturia synths it slides out from the top, giving me full easy access without having to scroll and fiddle around with the GUI.

Give me tabs instead of this clunky slide-out shiz.

[martiu]

give tabs Arturia, also add multi core support similar to pigmen, do now

[frag]

I'm telling you, there will be lots of presets for this VSTi - similar to Spire, Diva etc.

Your enthusiasm might be clouding your perspective, but I'm glad you're stoked.

I don't think it's just my enthusiasm...

This synth is capable of a wide range of sounds - trance, rock, Bach, whatever you want. It's not as "shiny" as Spire or Virus TI2. For the same reason I prefer Virus C over TI2.
It complements Spire or Diva, because it offers something unique.
If you listen Monopoly carefully, it also goes for this "early VA" sound, and it works. For this reason, I also prefer Triton over newer sample-based synths. It's a bit dirty.
I'd say it's sweet spot between true analog and contemporary VA.

That's a nice testimonial. You have convinced me to demo. I have Arturia's Analog Lab Pro, and the presets there for the Jup-8000 V did not catch my ear as anything out of the ordinary.

Well, presets are trancy, but this instrument can do a lot more!
It's all subjective, but not completely subjective
I mean, I don't think anyone ever said that Steinberg Neon is the best synth.

Virtual instruments have progressed so much... In the late 90s I remember VAZ, Model E, etc, it was silly and everybody wanted JP, Virus, Nord.
Today we have all of this stuff in VST. I don't even use Virus TI2.

Whoever is into music making likes to try (and own) lots of synths, but I think it's important to limit yourself - that's what makes great authors. For example, if I get that Ultra 9 285K which I really like for DAW, I would install only six instruments: Spire, Diva, Triton/Extreme, Multipoly, Jup-8000 V and JD-800. Everything else is a distraction. Even six is too much!

Out of hundreds, or even thousands, these are the only instruments which make me want to play music and say something. Multipoly and Jup-8000 V are great additions, particularly Jup-8000 V. This has been missing.

[IvyBirds]

I wonder about the wisdom of developing an emulation like this, unless you can perfectly nail down the sound of the original, AND add on a few cool features. The die hard fans are never going to be satisfied with anything but the original. Casual fans are already happy with modern tools that do similar things.

So who is this for? Seems like the market is pretty tiny, unless those being critical of how far it sounds from the original are just suffering from confirmation bias. I personally don’t have any nostalgia for the 8000, and the additional features don’t really excite me.

I have nostalgia for the 8000 but not for Supersaw or trance timbres. Roland marketed it back in the day as a digital Jupiter 8 with a few extras. Just as the TB-303 ended up being used heavily in Acid which Roland never intended the JP-8000 ended up being used in Trance

The Arturia Jup-8000 V seems to really miss the mark of sounding like a Digital Jupiter 8 in the way that the JP-8000 did

Of course Arturia already makes a digital Jupiter 8 which I own, and since I don't care about trance sounds and have dozens of plugins that can do Supersaws I have no interest at all in ths

[telecharge]

JD-800

Well, now you have me installing Roland Anthology 1993 (JD-990). It's only 6.5GB.
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[Caine123]

maybe a bit interesting, found on youtube

[Zoopy]

Ive just compared Pigments super unison algorithm in VA osc - its the same as supersaw in jup 8000.

Yes, seems like they've refactored components from Pigments into a new UI. Smart!

Smart and kinda annoys me, like, this kinda what I was wondering...what is actually being emulated here? If it's just copy paste w a new UI...that feels dishonest to me but whatever

[jlp0429]

Ive been enjoying this one, some unique digital sounds in it.

[IvyBirds]

Ive just compared Pigments super unison algorithm in VA osc - its the same as supersaw in jup 8000.

Yes, seems like they've refactored components from Pigments into a new UI. Smart!

Smart and kinda annoys me, like, this kinda what I was wondering...what is actually being emulated here? If it's just copy paste w a new UI...that feels dishonest to me but whatever

Pure Lofi is most definitely just a reskinned Pigments also

[Hyperbole]

I find the slide-out interface on this quite annoying because it slides out from the bottom, forcing part of it off the screen. On my other Arturia synths it slides out from the top, giving me full easy access without having to scroll and fiddle around with the GUI.

Give me tabs instead of this clunky slide-out shiz.

I would prefer that Arturia (and others) integrate new synth parameters into the main GUI rather than hide them behind an "Advanced" panel, even if that panel slides down from the top. (This is what u-he has done with Repro.) Any parameters that can't be neatly integrated into the main GUI should be placed on one or more additional tabs.

Of course, if your monitor is large enough, the main GUI and advanced panel can be shown simultaneously. But I often work on my laptop, so a tabbed interface works better for me.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I would prefer that Arturia (and others) integrate new synth parameters into the main GUI rather than hide them behind an "Advanced" panel, even if that panel slides down from the top. (This is what u-he has done with Repro.) Any parameters that can't be neatly integrated into the main GUI should be placed on one or more additional tabs.

Of course, if your monitor is large enough, the main GUI and advanced panel can be shown simultaneously. But I often work on my laptop, so a tabbed interface works better for me.

User name does NOT check out. No hyperbole here.

I don't know how they came to the conclusion that making the GUI taller is better than tabs. It's pretty terrible IMO.

[Hyperbole]

It just sounds harsh, I don't know what is wrong with people who're excited about it.
I suppose those who're into SynthWave won't be bothered.

I notice this with most plugin emulations. They hold on until you start moving things around, messing with the filter etc...
It seems to me like the "resolution" of the filters in plugins is "smaller" if this makes any sense. It's like...it's skipping some dots, as if the bit depth is lower.
Plugin manufacturers wanna optimize CPU so they cut corners, and it seems to me they focus on the filter specifically to save up CPU, which in return degrades the fidelity and as a result the original intent of making a convincing emulation is being lost.

That might be the case with emulations of analog filters. But the JP8000 already has a fairly harsh, grainy digital filter sound. So even if Arturia completely nailed it, the filter would still sound harsh by today's standards. I think what you are hearing just is the gritty digital sound of the JP8000. There is a reason I returned mine after two weeks in 1997.