Can AI (Artificial Intelligence) even compete?

[BertKoor]

Training data. Likely they whiped the memory and trained it again with less input data.

[Tiles]

I don't think that they started over. Too much effort. To train it with more data can have the same effect. The weighting goes into the direction of the most trained genres.

[zerocrossing]

OpenAI is no where near being profitable, yet everyone is somehow thinking this is going to be the best thing ever. Sam Altman?

https://audioboom.com/posts/8870839-thi ... sam-altman

[Touch The Universe]

OpenAI is no where near being profitable, yet everyone is somehow thinking this is going to be the best thing ever. Sam Altman?

https://audioboom.com/posts/8870839-thi ... sam-altman

You can't put a pricetag on the biggest temptations of humanity - it's a genie in the bottle that will never say no, just a matter of time, is the hope. The possibility of that is not zero, if recursive ai emerges. The deeper issue is the logic of such a "utopia" if there is this thing called sin or corruption in our hearts. How long can society last even if immortal, smarter, more "joy" and yet still inequality and corruption and lack of love and selfishness. Even in our "enlightened" society we are on the bring of nuclear war. Imagine if our technology was 10x or 1million x in the same hearts and mind frames we have now? You see the dilema?

An Eternal Kingdom and "sin" or corruption within, whatever you choose to call it is an OXYMORON. You can't have both. This is issue is spiritual. I will try to make my own spiritual implication of ai thread if they let me, not to boggle this one, again. As this topic fascinates me and I feel is important.

[BBFG#]

Training data. Likely they whiped the memory and trained it again with less input data.

I recently watched a documentary on AI about something like this. They found that giving it data at all did slow it down. Wiping it wouldn't start it over and they decided to start from scratch and give it it's own free reign in learning. And by doing so the rate of growth grew exponentially instead of incrementally. So it would be interesting if they started with an AI and an 88 note (with pitch bend for quarter tones) non layered single instrument and let it work out what it will. Without the constraints of expectations of what we think it should be.

[zerocrossing]

OpenAI is no where near being profitable, yet everyone is somehow thinking this is going to be the best thing ever. Sam Altman?

https://audioboom.com/posts/8870839-thi ... sam-altman

You can't put a pricetag on the biggest temptations of humanity

Sure you can. This isn't C-3PO who charges overnight and then is good to go. We're talking about a massive expenditure of construction and resources, not to mention an ongoing need for power that could only go higher. For what? Altman would have you believe that GI is on the horizon, yet my wife is constantly complaining about the pro version of ChatGPT that her company makes them use. And OpenAI isn't anywhere near profitability. Why not? Why not charge what it costs? If it's the biggest temptations of humanity, wouldn't everyone be eager to pay for it? That's what I keep coming back to. This is supposed to be able to replace everyone, yet currently it's wildly inaccurate, at unpredictable times, and isn't profitable. Who's going to pay for something that needs to be baby sat at all times in case it makes a crazy mistake?

It's a genie in the bottle that will never say no, just a matter of time, is the hope.

Not a genie. Just a computer model making calculations based on training data. It'll say no when you don't feed it money.

The possibility of that is not zero, if recursive ai emerges. The deeper issue is the logic of such a "utopia" if there is this thing called sin or corruption in our hearts. How long can society last even if immortal, smarter, more "joy" and yet still inequality and corruption and lack of love and selfishness. Even in our "enlightened" society we are on the bring of nuclear war. Imagine if our technology was 10x or 1million x in the same hearts and mind frames we have now? You see the dilema?

There's a lot of daylight between "not zero" and "likely." As has been pointed out, the latest version of ChatGPT is 25% better, but takes 4x the power. That's not good. Unless there's some type of computing breakthrough, it seems like we're already reaching a point of diminishing returns.

An Eternal Kingdom and "sin" or corruption within, whatever you choose to call it is an OXYMORON. You can't have both. This is issue is spiritual. I will try to make my own spiritual implication of ai thread if they let me, not to boggle this one, again. As this topic fascinates me and I feel is important.

You lost me there. That just seems like a word salad of pseudo techno religion nonsense. I recommend seeing a medical professional as soon as possible.

[Touch The Universe]

Do you understand what recursive ai means? Reply in this thread HERE not to muddy this one up . Just copy and paste the whole thing there, if you want. You brought up good points - you have a brain, so I'd love to respond, but won't here, unless OP allows it. Also, if you can't show humility and respect, I won't engage in what I found wonderful, fascinating topic. Do you want a mudfight debate or a mutually respectful conversation? I'm only available for the later.

[Grizzellda]

I feel that we are already walking, talking...and quite sophisticated computers, but most folks don't recognize it. The key is, (and this is quality info from the Urantia book) that our nervous systems were designed by a "super mortal" approach, and the idea is to superimpose a controlling, albeit evolving spirit onto that. The spirit comes from the Creator.

That is why the Creator is the Creator, and AI is not.

[pdxindy]

There's a lot of daylight between "not zero" and "likely." As has been pointed out, the latest version of ChatGPT is 25% better, but takes 4x the power. That's not good. Unless there's some type of computing breakthrough, it seems like we're already reaching a point of diminishing returns.

And the latest version of GPT (5.4) isn't 25% better. It does some tasks better, but some tasks worse. It's not reliably better.

The AI companies are struggling to come anywhere close to meeting the hype. I can't be sure, but my impression is that they are trying to throw more resources at it as a way to get closer.

[zerocrossing]

Do you understand what recursive ai means? Reply in this thread HERE not to muddy this one up . Just copy and paste the whole thing there, if you want. You brought up good points - you have a brain, so I'd love to respond, but won't here, unless OP allows it. Also, if you can't show humility and respect, I won't engage in what I found wonderful, fascinating topic. Do you want a mudfight debate or a mutually respectful conversation? I'm only available for the later.

I wasn’t slinging mud. I honestly think you should see a mental health professional. I’ve seen paragraphs like that before, and they never came out of people who were of sound mind. There is nothing “spiritual” about any of this, though arguably, there is also no evidence of any supernatural entity that one would call a spirit.

[Touch The Universe]

Do you understand what recursive ai means? Reply in this thread HERE not to muddy this one up . Just copy and paste the whole thing there, if you want. You brought up good points - you have a brain, so I'd love to respond, but won't here, unless OP allows it. Also, if you can't show humility and respect, I won't engage in what I found wonderful, fascinating topic. Do you want a mudfight debate or a mutually respectful conversation? I'm only available for the later.

I wasn’t slinging mud. I honestly think you should see a mental health professional. I’ve seen paragraphs like that before, and they never came out of people who were of sound mind. There is nothing “spiritual” about any of this, though arguably, there is also no evidence of any supernatural entity that one would call a spirit.

You didn't answer my question or seem to indicate you understood the argument I was making. I can understand you think I'm crazy because you aren't following what I'm saying. Is that what's going on? There's better ways, like asking clarifying questions, to get the point across, instead of calling people crazy. I assure you, the worldview I'm spousing is the exact opposite, but the most logical, coherent wordlview that exists so its most perfectly the most reasonable thing to believe - in the whole world. Evolution, there is to truth of spirit or that, that is lalaland, and ONLY reveals you don't value or seek the truth - which by itself is not a commendable, thing. Or, to be fair, maybe you weren't seeking it in the right place, which is understandable, or maybe you were but with this heart posture, just shuts down conversation.

I'll be more than happy to engage with you and anyone's genuine curiosity but you gotta atleast try and go easy and be more gentle with those low blows, or there is no wisdom for me to engage here, but is a sign there will be no fruit.

[stratology]

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[jancivil]

Sam Altman has a definite history of being a scammer, so...
No, it doesn't look at all like the technology is on the verge of that spectacular breakthrough. The Large Reasoning Model can't actually reason, for starters.

The only think I can remotely characterize as a spirtual experience is in music, and frankly if music isn't enough, to my view there's an element missing, a hole that will always need filling. If there's a hope a machine will fill some void in humanity it's a symptom of that.

[jancivil]

David Lynch: "Eraserhead is my most spiritual film." "Would you explain that?" "No."

[Zeisner]

hold thst thought...

Time to watch Threads again. Fits nicely with what's happening right now...