Can FLS 5 help us get by without Pro-Tools or Audition??????

[Spe3D]

Here you go, eight steps to implement automation Clips in FL with screen shots. at the FL forum

http://forum.e-officedirect.com/forum.e ... GEFRAME=OK

Best regards,

Spe3d


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[donkey tugger]

However the bottom line is that to compare Fruity to the professionl software packages such as Cubase, Sonar, Logic, etc. is really not fair. Fruity is out of it's league when being compared to these professional software packages because it isn't one nor can it do everything that these other packages can.

What crock. Please tell me what makes these packages "professional"?

Carb

I don't have the luxury of going into the details of why I use the host I do as opposed to FL and why one is better than the other. I mean for for one thing it would take forever to write and two, who really gives a crap anyway? Let the music used by various artists and the software they use speak for itself. I can hear a difference between FL users and Cubase, Logic, Sonar users, etc. Anyone else claim otherwise?

What I can say is that there is a reason a $99.00 piece of software that is downloadable off the internet doesn't run my entire music setup. I must not be the only one that thinks this way because of all the "power users" listed on FL's page, only one is somewhat well known. Who has heard of the rest? Even if any other well known artists did use Fruity it seems they are not so willing to admit it or else I would see their names plastered on FL's website.

I get the suspicion that the people claiming FL can hang in the ranks of Cubase, Logic, Sonar, etc., have probably never used any other software than FL to support their case. I mean if you sit down for any amount of time with Cubase, Logic, etc. and then with FL, you will see the difference. If you can't, then I would tend to believe their is something wrong with the person at the computer. I don't even see gol standing behind or backing up his software against the pro software companies being named in this thread. All I have seen him defend so far are his thoughts on CD burning. Even gol knows he can't compete with pro DAW developers. There is NO comparison to be made. Professional DAW's and FL are two completely different animals and each has it's own place. It's simply a matter of what you want to do musically.

Can FL replace my host just just like the topic of this thread asked in the first place? The answer is a resounding NO! FL could not replace my host nor come close to it. If it could then I would not be writing what my experience has been not only with FL but a lot of other software as well and my somewhat differing viewpoint on the subject. FL is a nice package for what it is but it certainly can't replace or compete with the likes of Cubase, Logic, and Sonar and this is a fact. Reason can't either but their samples sure do sound better than FL. Later.

Hehe, thou talkest bolloxs me laddo! I've heard good and shite music produced with all manner of different hosts, workman..tools etc....

[Wicker Man]

Well, someone who has spent $999 on Logic Pro is not going to praise or give credibility to FL Studio Producer Ed. at $149 are they ?

Plus, you have the debate of users who are committed to a Mac platform and those who prefer PC.

At the end of the day, the software and system should be capable of recording your ideas and enabling you to develop a creative workflow unhindered by inefficient technology...if Logic allows you to do this 6 times better to reflect its price then fair enough.

If Logic makes you feel better, simply because of the name on the box or you are worried about people laughing at you, then you have problems.

[jens]

Does FL5 have:

- Clip restoration
- Click/Pop removal
- Noise reduction
- Hiss reduction
- Frequency Spectrum analysis, including the ability to apply effects to specific frequencies only
- Vocal extraction
- Professional mastering tools
- Convolution based effects
- FX freeze/lock
- PDC
- Graphic Phase shifter
- Scientific filters
- Doppler Shifter
- Pitch correction
- integrated CD burning
- CD ripping
- support for a wide range of audio formats including MP3Pro
- Audio correction at sample level accuracy
- 30 band EQ
- FFT filter

If the answer is no to any of these, then to work with audio at a professional level you may need to hang onto Audition, Tony.

Schmonzes

[Mystical_Fantasy]

More crock, you didn't answer the question. And after proceeding to say you don't have the luxury of explaining what makes Cubase pro and FL not (which I assume is time?) you proceed to fill the screen with more unsubstantiated opinion.

Carb.[/quote]

[Cabinfever]

the amount of stuff in fl studio is just staggering. if anyone really knew half the features well then they'd have such amazing tools at their command.

and that's the same with any of the main hosts: all the packages are so deep that it is the users level of skill which is the big determining factor, not a list of features and stats.

now let's just say that you suddenly got $100,000 to spend on music gear. do you think your music will suddenly be fantastic ? no, it'd sound almost the same.

your brain & skill & creativity will determine whether anyone cares about your music.

top level gear will only be really useful in the hands of experts who know what to do with that gear. for example, just think about the role of mastering engineers....

as for famous people using sx or logic - of course they do. it's like everything that 'celebrities' do, it's always the expensive stuff.

they drink expensive alcohol, have expensive drugs, live in expensive houses, travel in expensive cars. so of course studio credits will show them using all the top stuff.

do you think they will say "we used all the cheap shite and wrote this crap in one afternoon while drooling on smack". they will say they pour heart & soul into the work, use the best producers & studio.

[bluedad]

Mystical Fantasy plays what it feels regardless of popular style and opinion.

[jens]

I don't have the luxury of going into the details of why I use the host I do as opposed to FL and why one is better than the other. I mean for for one thing it would take forever to write and two, who really gives a crap anyway?

More crock, you didn't answer the question. And after proceeding to say you don't have the luxury of explaining what makes Cubase pro and FL not (which I assume is time?) you proceed to fill the screen with more unsubstantiated opinion.

Carb.

Carb, you simply are a riot and no doubt a FL arse kisser! When YOU can substantiate your own claims that FL can hang in the ranks of pro music software and PROVE it, then I'll give you a little insight into why I use the software I do. If gol can't defend his own software against the companies named in this thread, then what the hell makes you think you can?

I stand behind the choices I have made with the software I use today and FL certainly is no longer a part of it and there is a reason for that. I don't even know why I am even engaging in this difference of opinion between FL and pro software companies because there really is nothing to compare, let alone argue about! FL is NOT Cubase, Logic or Sonar nor does it come close, period!

he makes valid meta-communication and you're just laughing and still refuse to write anything that makes actually sense - how feeble-minded are you?


edit: and just to tell you: I own Sonar and used it for quite some time and know it pretty well (and I bet better than you know any sequencer) but then I started using mainly Tracktion instead which cost 80euros at that time and is now free and now I'm also using eXT to make complete songs with it. Am I dumb?

I'd love to hear some of the professional music you're making, boy.

[jens]

I'd love to hear some of the professional music you're making, boy.

nevermind - I just noticed you have a link in your signature

[jens]

I can't hear anything I couldn't do easily with music-maker

[DHR53]

I have Logic 7, Reason 2.5 and Live on my Mac... I have EXT, Fruity and Orion on my PC... I can create a song pretty quickly in any of them... Do I need all the Pro features in Logic? No... But I can use the program with a minimal feature set and get great results... Do I miss some of those Pro features in Fruity or Orion? No... I use them the same way... In the end, most people are trying to get from A to B as quickly as possible... no one comtemplates how many features they use unless they are essential to the process...

I was impressed with the FL 5 update... and I'm not really a fan!

[Jaeson Merrill]

sorry, you mean fls5?
i'm talking frezze a track and have the possibilitie to go back.
i don't have fls5

Yes.

But FL Studio 4 could also.

You can render any FX track, then disable the instruments pointing to it. Put the WAV file in the play-list, Done.

If you want to go back you just delete or deselect the WAV and turn the channels back on that were pointing to the rendered FX track.

FL Studio 5 is a little more automated about how you can do all this.

Carb.

how so?? I see no new macros or anything.

even so, its a pain to freeze a RAM hog like BFD.

Ive already described how freezing COULD work,
or at least my pathetic non-gol, non-programmer version,
FREEZING

for the last time, FL studio DOES NOT have a freeze function, at least not yet, afaik.

it can render

and it has audio tracks

and you can disable vstis.


its NOT freeze

ill also throw in a PDC complaint for good measure.


but, yes, in spite of this, its my favorite software.[/url]

[Mystical_Fantasy]

as for famous people using sx or logic - of course they do. it's like everything that 'celebrities' do, it's always the expensive stuff.

they drink expensive alcohol, have expensive drugs, live in expensive houses, travel in expensive cars. so of course studio credits will show them using all the top stuff.

[Mystical_Fantasy]

Mystical Fantasy plays what it feels regardless of popular style and opinion.

[Hink]

If FL was so good and can do anything every other software company can then why isn't everyone from pro's to beginners dumping their plugs, software, hardware, synths, whatever in order to use FL exclusively as their choice for releasing their creative energy?

I don't know about you, but when I get use to something it's hard to change, and rather a pain as well. As FL did evolve, the musicians you speak of would of been getting use to other software. To dump everything would be a new learning curve and a step backwards in workflow for them.

However your logic is equally faulty as there is no way to tell if these accomplished musicians had FL5 available then what they would use. They could of made FL their choice then (had it been what it is now), but they got use to other software because it was what was and still is available...in other words FL is evolving into a fantastic tool, I'm sure as time goes on it will prove this as younger talent is using FL.