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Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:05 pm

ahja wrote:you really know how to

Context, condensed: "Oooh-kay, if it will make you feel better, you can pretend I apologized, even though there's no need for me to make any apology because it wasn't meant to be insulting, just dismissive." Context's still there. You can read it too if you like.

You're dismissed. *makes shooing motions* :-) No insult intended!

Meffy

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:06 pm

Meffy wrote:
ahja wrote:Of course, over the years I grew up and learned how do things in a more musical fasion.

ok, I can move on now, hopefully..

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:08 pm

Gilderoy, up there, and I will do our best. Sooo, Sickle... how's about them Reaktor ensembles? =^_^=

Meffy

Soniccat · Post by **Soniccat** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:09 pm

It's the tools we have today, It is the sound that alot of these synths can make and they fit very nicley with ambient music of all types. When your twiddling knobs and you come up with something that GURGLES_POP_FZZT it pushes ne into another world.
I look at soundscape music as I do painting, the sounds are the paint and I am having alot of fun messing with the paints.

ahja · Post by **ahja** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:10 pm

Sicklecell666 wrote:
ahja wrote:
Meffy wrote:
ahja wrote:Of course, over the years I grew up and learned how do things in a more musical fasion.
How humble. Your point has been made. *9_9*
Damn, you guys really know how to twist words, and pull them completely out of context.
If you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen.

It's ironic that you compliment a track by Bluedad that uses large degrees of the instruments that you critice..

Calling you a hypocrite at this point is redundant.

And if this thread were to be something as innocent as a 'Why do you make ambient' inquiry, it would have flown over much better had you not been so antagonistic in your initial post. I don't react out of vaccuum..

Shit in, shit out.

ciao,

The heat is perfect, thanks. It's bit chilly in Chicago so it feels pretty good.

When have I critized anything or anyone, sicklecell? I have not done that.

Markleford · Post by **Markleford** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:13 pm

svartling wrote:I think ambient music is more intelligent then anything else, that's because the music makes you think and listen really hard to the feelings.
I think thats why more and more artists make ambient music.

I think that's why *some* artists make ambient music. However, I will go out on a limb and voice an unpopular view...

I believe that a large amount of ambient is created with no thought or plan at all. It is merely spewed to a file as a byproduct of directionless tweaking.

The bar for ambient music is perhaps the lowest of all forms of "music". Namely, you do not have to be cognizant of notes, scales, chords, or even rhythm. To that end, it doesn't have to be "music" at all.

That's not to say that sound scuplting can't be an intensely rigorous mental challenge. I'm just saying that all it takes as a minimum investment, as alluded to, is "downloading a Reaktor ensemble and twisting some knobs".

It's up to the individual artist to express more integrity and initiative than the minimum. And hopefully the ambient newbies are on the path to being serious about this craft and investing more of themselves into the process than merely consuming the remnants of others.

Now it's one thing to be snobby and say "ambient isn't *real* music: it doesn't follow the *rules*". And it's another thing to be snobby and say, "my ambience has risen *above* your antiquated need for *any* rules!".

In the end it's about investment. An analogy would be the hotbed argument of "color field painting" in the art world. Is it art? Is it a scam? Is Rothko a genius, charlatan, or both? Is it only worthy of the title of "art" if the technical skill required to accomplish a similar piece is outside the reach of the common man?

These questions are unanswerable to any degree of "correctness". So mote it be with ambient.

- m

ahja · Post by **ahja** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:14 pm

Ok, this has gotten pretty silly...

...And I'm not gonna lose my temper which is, of course, what you all want me to do. I've seen this type of situation come and go by the same folks a number of times.

Take care folks.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:16 pm

ahja wrote:
Sicklecell666 wrote:
ahja wrote:
Meffy wrote:
ahja wrote:Of course, over the years I grew up and learned how do things in a more musical fasion.
How humble. Your point has been made. *9_9*
Damn, you guys really know how to twist words, and pull them completely out of context.
If you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen.

It's ironic that you compliment a track by Bluedad that uses large degrees of the instruments that you critice..

Calling you a hypocrite at this point is redundant.

And if this thread were to be something as innocent as a 'Why do you make ambient' inquiry, it would have flown over much better had you not been so antagonistic in your initial post. I don't react out of vaccuum..

Shit in, shit out.

ciao,
The heat is perfect, thanks. It's bit chilly in Chicago so it feels pretty good.

When have I critized anything or anyone, sicklecell? I have not done that.

Cripes, but you're wretched..I can't even assign you to a respectfull circle in Hell; you dont even make it past the Vestibule..

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:17 pm

No, you just don't know how to write specifically.

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:19 pm

an provocative thread, hence the provocateurs :p see jane provoke. provoke, jane, provoco...

erm.. to suggest.. 's all about culture jamming

people wishing to make a "record" that "is distinctly NOT somethnig else" erm..

within the scope of people whose lives provoke them to spend time monitoring audio recordings, it's "not your momma's audio recording" it's not even proctor and gamble's !!! :p

..bluegrass.. more organic.. music as anti music. "that hunger has got to be destroyed"

another few years of "ambient" and mebbe some civilised people will relearn to listen properly

signed,
kingmonkeystud

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:19 pm

right no arguin now but a question then ahja,what methods do you see as wholly acceptable?

i will agree that yes there are a lot of ambient producers here of late,this is feel ive had some hand in with the help of NTNS radio

ie they play artists i get in touch with arists who i like and some of them join here but thats only one or two.the rest well i havent really seen anyone dramatically changing styles here to fit in with a "fashion" and to be honest i dont really see it as a fashion,you see what you are doing is lumping ambient together as a genre,which is bollocks in the first place.there is a world of difference between what say sickle and normal do,or myself and bluedad(sorry guys didnt wanna single people out)yet we are seen as "ambient".

like others i dont see what i do as a fashion or as the easy way,its just what i do and what i enjoy doing.does it matter how i do it if at the end of it i have a piece of sound that i can sit back and enjoy.and wow what a bonus when others enjoy it too

ahja · Post by **ahja** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:19 pm

I should feel so honored sickle.

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:24 pm

oh and btw.. when was the last time there was any kinda dial-up vs. cable tally?

bloody 45 minute tracks

ahja · Post by **ahja** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:24 pm

vurt wrote:right no arguin now but a question then ahja,what methods do you see as wholly acceptable?

i will agree that yes there are a lot of ambient producers here of late,this is feel ive had some hand in with the help of NTNS radio ie they play artists i get in touch with arists who i like and some of them join here but thats only one or two.the rest well i havent really seen anyone dramatically changing styles here to fit in with a "fashion" and to be honest i dont really see it as a fashion,you see what you are doing is lumping ambient together as a genre,which is bollocks in the first place.there is a world of difference between what say sickle and normal do,or myself and bluedad(sorry guys didnt wanna single people out)yet we are seen as "ambient".

like others i dont see what i do as a fashion or as the easy way,its just what i do and what i enjoy doing.does it matter how i do it if at the end of it i have a piece of sound that i can sit back and enjoy.and wow what a bonus when others enjoy it too

Vurt, finally someone who actually tries to communicate and understand rather than throw words.

There is no exceptable way, and I am not one to judge that. Though words have been put in my mouth that this is my intention. Guess that's KVR though, huh?

Vurt, for example.. I respect your stuff. You put work into it, some heart, some creativity. That, I think, fills the void. Another example... I picked up this CD a few days ago, which kinda triggered this thread. It was the same drone playing out for 40 minutes... Nothing else. Yet this guy gets respect? A 5 year old could have done it. I think its sad that it's gotten to that point.

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:27 pm

ahja wrote:Another example... I picked up this CD a few days ago, which kinda triggered this thread. It was the same drone playing out for 40 minutes... Nothing else. Yet this guy gets respect? A 5 year old could have done it. I think its sad that it's gotten to that point.

.....

So what does that have to do with KvR artists?! Was it a disc produced by a KvR member? Why are you transfering this disataste this artist has given you onto KvR artists? Especially when you admit to not having even listened to some of our stuff?

So... Is ambient the new fashion or,,,