KVR Audio

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:51 am

reason hosts samples..

drez · Post by **drez** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:55 am

BONES wrote:
drez wrote:One could make the same argument for Orion
So support for VST/VSTi, DX and ReWire [host or slave] doesn't count? In that case I suppose we can only talk about Mac software here from now on.

It seems you didn't read my post fully. The rest of it goes...

drez wrote: Well, I see alot of stuff posted in this forum or the instruments forum about Orions proprietary plugins which can't be hosted in any other package :UhUhUh:

How bout moving all of those conversations into "other"?

I said posts regarding Orions proprietary plugins. You can talk about its VST/DX/Rewire support all day, but as for the proprietary modules (based on your argument), they have no place in the instruments or hosts forum.

I can't load up ultran in Ableton Live, can I?

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:03 am

drez wrote:
I never said it was new and improved. I said:
Subtractor sounds better

So its NOT new and improved, but it sounds better than before? Thats doesnt make any sense, either its new and improved, or its the same. Stuff doesnt happen out of nowhere just bacause a new version is out. If the props didnt do anything to improve the Sub then its the same shit as it was, period.

drez wrote: I don't have to ask the props when music sounds good or not. I know based on what I hear.

Improvement of a synth is not subjective, either they improved it, or they didnt.

drez wrote: If you don't have them both, then all you can do is speculate and throw FUD.

Uh you're the one spreading false hype about the non-improved improvements to the Subtractor. All I'm saying is if they didnt do anything to it, then the improved sound is probably all in your head. And Louder, doesnt mean better sounding either.

drez wrote: Have you A/B'd them?

They sound the same to me. Are you even supposed to be talking about the Beta? I thought that was one of the agreements.

drez · Post by **drez** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:16 am

AD80 wrote: So its NOT new and improved, but it sounds better than before? Thats doesnt make any sense, either its new and improved, or its the same. Stuff doesnt happen out of nowhere just bacause a new version is out. If the props didnt do anything to improve the Sub then its the same shit as it was, period.

If they improved the sample accuracy and timing, then that would help every module. That doesn't mean that they changed a single thing about the subtractor, but since the audio engine has been improved, the subtractor benefits.

Besides, its only shit if its in the hands of someone that can't use it. I bet I could beat my mom in my acura if she was in a ferrari.

AD80 wrote: Improvement of a synth is not subjective, either they improved it, or they didnt.

You're the one that said that they improved it. I said it sounds better.

AD80 wrote:
drez wrote: If you don't have them both, then all you can do is speculate and throw FUD.
Uh you're the one spreading false hype about the non-improved improvements to the Subtractor. All I'm saying is if they didnt do anything to it, then the improved sound is probably all in your head...[/b]

I'm not spreading false hype. You're the one that is claiming things I posted that aren't in the text on the browser you are reading. I'm telling you what I heard with my own ears. Its not like I read it on a random google search and claimed it the gospel. Its what my ears tell me, and that's what I trust.

AD80 wrote: And Louder, doesnt mean better sounding either.

Where did I ever say louder? Can you show me in a post where I said it sounded louder

AD80 wrote:
drez wrote: Have you A/B'd them?
They sound the same to me. Are you even supposed to be talking about the Beta? I thought that was one of the agreements.

So you are saying that you have indeed A/B'd the 3.0 and 2.5 Subtractors? What monitors? You can talk about the monitors as they are not under any agreement.

Warmonger · Post by **Warmonger** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:18 am

Sounds like it's time for some wave samples for A/B comparison.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:23 am

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AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:29 am

ttoz wrote:i cant believe the shit you two are arguing about

Listen you Reason newbie

. I've had reason since it came out. The Subcraptor sounds like its always sounded. Terrible. New engine or not. I was actually interested in Drez's first post because I thought they improved it and I wanted to know what the changes were. But then it turns out they didnt improve it, it just sounds better to HIS Reason hyping ears. No proof.

drez · Post by **drez** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:31 am

AD80 wrote:
ttoz wrote:...it just sounds better to HIS Reason hyping ears. No proof.

Well, hype or not, it sounds better.

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:32 am

drez wrote:
AD80 wrote:it just sounds better to HIS Reason hyping ears. No proof.
Well, hype or not, it sounds better.

Warmonger wrote:Sounds like it's time for some wave samples for A/B comparison.

drez · Post by **drez** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:37 am

AD80 wrote:

Sorry AD80. I don't want to argue about it. I respect you and what you have to say. You have more experience in all of this technology than I do.

How's this:

[DISCLAIMER]I was just making a statement that, honestly, I think is true based on what I hear. Nothing more[/DISCLAIMER]

The way I look at it, if you take the same CD and run it through a 50 dollar apex CD player and then you run it through a Marantz PMD340, you will hear a difference. The media didn't change, but the engine playing it did. The subtractor doesn't have to change to sound better if they made the "thing" that puts the audio in my ears sound better.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:41 am

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AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:48 am

ttoz wrote:
Reason's Subtractor synthesizer, so-called because it's based on a traditional subtractive architecture, is a very creditable software recreation of an analogue monosynth, except that it's up to 99-voice polyphonic! Of course, the more notes you play, the greater the CPU load.

Most of the features you'd expect from a genuine analogue synth are here, plus some you wouldn't, or that are unique as far as we know. T
he sound is spot-on -- Subtractor easily stood its ground next to a Korg MS2000R modelling instrument, as well as our genuine analogue synths..

I guess they must be using the Subtractor in version 3.0 aswell.

Seriously tho, when I listen to that thing compared to my other VST subtractive synths, it makes me want to never use Sub again. But hay if you guys like it, go for it.

My argument stands tho, its the same subtractor as prior versions. Atleast I think that was my argument.

AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:50 am

drez wrote:
[DISCLAIMER]I was just making a statement that, honestly, I think is true based on what I hear. Nothing more[/DISCLAIMER]

Or this will work "IMHO" . But regardless, I really just wanted to know what (if anything) they improved about the Sub finally after all these years.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:52 am

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AD80 · Post by **AD80** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:57 am

We should make a poll. What sucks worse, AD80's ears, or Reason's Subtractor.

REASON FRIGGIN ROCKS!!!