Italian DJ fined 1.4 million euros

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Sascha Franck wrote:So, wait a minute... a little math:
The DJ was charged 1,8 million dollars for "over 2000 MP3 files" he had on his computer.
Let's say 2500.

That's 720 dollars per EACH file!!!

Now, while I believe that it's rather stupid to use such an amount of illegal MP3 files on a (most likely commercial) job, while I also agree that it's pretty much unfair and illoyal to use other people's work for "free" when you get money for things, this amount of money per file CAN'T be justified in ANY case!

They must've had him/her observed before (through P2P and whatever IP logs) - otherwise, no matter how much illegal or illoyal he/she was, this can't be correct.

As said, just a little math, nothing else.
Sascha, I'm not sure if you were thinking of this when you wrote the above, but in any case I'd like to point out that when fines are levied for going about some "thing" illegally, they are almost ALWAYS for more (sometimes much more) than the cost of doing said "thing" legally. This is because it's a PUNITIVE fine. If they just charged someone how much it would have cost them if they did it in the legal manner in the first place, there would be no reason for them to do it legally, in a cost benefit analysis. The evildoer would say, "Well, I can do it the legal way and pay $X, or I can do it the illegal way and pay $0 dollars if I don't get caught (with %Y probability), or pay $X if I do get caught (with %(100-Y) probability). Hmmmmmmm, decisions decisions."

Now, whether $720 (I'm assuming your calculations are correct) per song is debatable, there is no question as to the sense & legitimacy of charging more money for the fine than for the cost of doing legitimate business. This is basic stuff. You also have to realize that this DJ was using the songs in a professional public performance to make money and so the fines should be higher than for someone who DL's .mp3s for personal listening.
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munchkin wrote:
Audioflux1 wrote:Okay munchkin, you've convinced me. Devs, put all your software on your websites for me to download right now! All you musicians on KVR, send me links where I can download all of your music (RIAA, you can just set me up one website full of links for the major label stuff, okay?, thanks!). Hollywood, I want mpegs of all your back catalog on your FTP servers by noon tomorrow!

I mean, hell, it was free to make all this shit, why can't it be free for me to have a copy of it?
Yeah, go for it! :hihi: I'll send you a file in a cake. :wink:
Kick ass! You have a cake that I can store files in? Is it FAT32 or NTFS? I don't want no damn FAT32 partition on my hot-pluggable USB cake.
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Audioflux1 wrote:
munchkin wrote:
Audioflux1 wrote:Okay munchkin, you've convinced me. Devs, put all your software on your websites for me to download right now! All you musicians on KVR, send me links where I can download all of your music (RIAA, you can just set me up one website full of links for the major label stuff, okay?, thanks!). Hollywood, I want mpegs of all your back catalog on your FTP servers by noon tomorrow!

I mean, hell, it was free to make all this shit, why can't it be free for me to have a copy of it?
Yeah, go for it! :hihi: I'll send you a file in a cake. :wink:
Kick ass! You have a cake that can store files in? Is it FAT32 or NTFS? I don't want no damn FAT32 partition on my hot-pluggable USB cake.
:lol:

I mean so you can file through the bars and escape from prison after they catch you infringing. But if you'd prefer a USB cake drive... :D

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munchkin wrote:
donkey tugger wrote:
munchkin wrote:
donkey tugger wrote:
munchkin wrote:
donkey tugger wrote:Oh..I thought he might have been fined for bringing out some extrememly dodgy piano house 'anthem' featuring some piss poor rapper , under the moniker of something like, 'DJ Fuckio'. Never mind, do carry on.
:lol:

"Ride On Time!", "Ride On Time!"

The Italians will never be forgiven for that song and Mussolini. :P :hihi:
Actually, I was thinking of doing a cover..... :x
8) :love: 8) :love: 8) :love: 8) :love: 8) :love:

I double dare you! :-o
Small wager sir? :hihi:
If you create a rockist classic out of it I promise to 'Smell The Glove' and do a metel version myself. :-o

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No reply...I think even satan himself wouldn't enter a pact where I've promised metel...:scared:

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munchkin wrote:
Audioflux1 wrote:
munchkin wrote:
Audioflux1 wrote:Okay munchkin, you've convinced me. Devs, put all your software on your websites for me to download right now! All you musicians on KVR, send me links where I can download all of your music (RIAA, you can just set me up one website full of links for the major label stuff, okay?, thanks!). Hollywood, I want mpegs of all your back catalog on your FTP servers by noon tomorrow!

I mean, hell, it was free to make all this shit, why can't it be free for me to have a copy of it?
Yeah, go for it! :hihi: I'll send you a file in a cake. :wink:
Kick ass! You have a cake that can store files in? Is it FAT32 or NTFS? I don't want no damn FAT32 partition on my hot-pluggable USB cake.
:lol:

I mean so you can file through the bars and escape from prison after they catch you infringing. But if you'd prefer a USB cake drive... :D
Sorry, I forgot to use my sarcasm switches in both of those posts. [sarcasm][/sarcasm] Next time I will assume less...
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munchkin wrote:
munchkin wrote:
donkey tugger wrote:
munchkin wrote:
donkey tugger wrote:
munchkin wrote: :lol:

"Ride On Time!", "Ride On Time!"

The Italians will never be forgiven for that song and Mussolini. :P :hihi:
Actually, I was thinking of doing a cover..... :x
8) :love: 8) :love: 8) :love: 8) :love: 8) :love:

I double dare you! :-o
Small wager sir? :hihi:
If you create a rockist classic out of it I promise to 'Smell The Glove' and do a metel version myself. :-o

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No reply...I think even satan himself wouldn't enter a pact where I've promised metel...:scared:
None more black!

I reckon I might do it in a reggie stylee perhaps.....

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JerGoertz wrote: Sascha, I'm not sure if you were thinking of this when you wrote the above, [...]
Oh yes, I really did.
You also have to realize that this DJ was using the songs in a professional public performance to make money and so the fines should be higher than for someone who DL's .mp3s for personal listening.
I totally agree with you.
And I also agree that (especially in a public AND commercial environment) such things are highly illoyal and illegal. So charging people doing so is quite correct in my book.

Still, I think 720 (or whatever... we don't know how many MP3s that dude actually had on his disks) is not justified at all.

What they're doing here is some role model shit.
They can't help themselves otherwise, so there's that dude who's gotta pay for all the rest too.
To me, this only proves how much help- (and clue-) less people are.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.

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shamann wrote:
2windy wrote:So how does does the radio and tv differ?
Because of the difference in the way laws govern broadcast content. You can't make copies of leased material as that would be a violation of a lender's agreement. But it would be impossible to enforce such an agreement on publically regulated broadcast bands.

If you record from the radio for personal use, you don't compete with the IP owner's exclusive right to profit from the material, and you've obtained the material through what equates to a form of squatter's rights. Recording a movie that you rented does interfere with profit rights, as leasing is an ephemeral transaction and it's expected of you to rent anew if you wish to see anew, and the material was not piped into your home.
:wink: Consider me re-educated. :)
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JohnVulich wrote:
2windy wrote:The music industry has a lot to think about and act on. I'm not even anti file sharing (condradictory I know!) but there needs to be a way on making sure that artists benefit. Licenses maybe with a small fee? I applaud those artist that say f**k it, you can download this track/album for free.
From what I gather smaller Artists already benefit from file sharing since most of their income comes from live shows and merchandising. A lot of smaller acts have gone on record saying that they'd rather see their music given away, as a form of viral marketing, than sell it, since they only make $0.10 or so off evey CD sale anyway. The only people that are (potentially) losing out from sharing are the Record Labels... and even that is debatable. I've seen many statistics that point out that the Labels make just as much money off each individual Artist, that they release, as they did before file sharing became popular. The big difference is that they sign and release far fewer Artists than they used to. IMO, the real reason for any slump in CD sales is far more due to missmanagement by Record Company Executives than anything else.
The signing of smaller artists is really what I meant, I have no doubt that they benefit in terms of exposure.
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Why isn't there a 'can of worms' smiley? :hihi:
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I don't know what was the situation with the abovementioned italian DJ but many friends of mine who do DJ work would simply prefer to either burn "best-of" kind of cd's or play mp3's from their laptops to avoid carrying a heavy shitload of cd's around all the time. Especially when most of the cds only contain 1-2 songs they would actually play. Cd's also get easily scratched so having a safety copy would make sense.

Unfortunately in most of european countries this is illegal and if the police happened to check out their equipment they would get fined. If they have the originals at home or not doesn't matter. You are (at least in Germany and Finland) ONLY allowed to play original cd's on your DJ gigs.

I would like to hear if this is so in other countries as well.

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gravehill wrote:You are (at least in Germany and Finland) ONLY allowed to play original cd's on your DJ gigs.
Which Germany would that be? :shock:

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gravehill wrote:You are (at least in Germany and Finland) ONLY allowed to play original cd's on your DJ gigs.
oh...that's a good rule...

:?

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how does one pay back 1.4 million euro?

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seamoss wrote:how does one pay back 1.4 million euro?
reluctantly.
erm..

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