Every time I export an audiomixdown in cubase it sounds crap

[nuffink]

Davor you bitch, I need that phone number. Things have got a bit competitive in the producer stalking game since they banged up Phil and all his boys came back into the market.

[flex42]

I think the problem is that Mr Davor Troll misunderstood the Vestman sentence he quoted...Now stop spreading bullshit.

[ericj23]

did you read my post - it is nothing to do with experience or what kind of musician you are or anything

mixdowns within the box are simple maths - it's how computers work - they are the same every time

i'm afraid that within the box 1+1 = 2

now if you insist on replying without anything new to say I'll just ignore you - I have explained simply why mixing in the box is 100% the same every time - Go and look up how maths units within computers work - or do my little example with the audio mixdowns

you are wrong - clear

now outside the box means connecting your computer digitally (or even worse in analogue) to the outside world. This means you can encounter jitter or other digital bugbears

But alas that is not what we were talking about - but it is what most your digital myths articles were about

PS i am not 23

[davor]

I think the problem is that Mr Davor Troll misunderstood the Vestman sentence he quoted...Now stop spreading bullshit.

And what exactly was it that I misunderstood, Mr. Def Home Audio Master Genius.

[ericj23]

oops you and your friend - bloody typo
- this is simple maths 1+1 = 2 every time

if you hear a difference you need your ears examined

Yes, I, and all the successful and sought after sound and mastering engineers who hear the difference, they all need their ears examined. And you, a would be amateur techno home quasi musician, you are the one to be taken as a judge. Sound is more than zeroes and ones, maybe after some 20 more years, you will come to be able to hear that. meanwhile I refer you to:

http://www.rogernichols.com/EQ/EQ_2000_02.html
http://nautiluspro.com/power_cords.htm

I'll quote Roger Nichols ( engineer for Steely Dan, and many others ) again ;
"Just remember, all of the expensive test gear said the pressings were perfect. The quality control people at the record company said we were crazy, the test equipment said the pressings were perfect. When asked if they listened to the CD pressing they said "No, do we need to?" Still the best piece of test gear is your ears."

He had similar problem when Steely Dan test cd didn't sound identical to the pressed one, although they were bit identical, and should have sounded identical according to the expensive test gear that the people like you used in the process of manufacturing. According to your mediocre ears, he would also be mildly insane.

from the same article

"Somehow the problem was in either the glass masters or the plating process afterwards that makes the stampers that press the CDs"

did you read those words - it was a fault with the glass mastering machine - nothing to do with digital generally

you are wrong OK

as for the cables article - yes a power supply improvement can reduce jitter - but that alas does not in any way affect how a computer adds up numbers

so the cord might reduce the noise in the output from your soundcard - but it will not in any way affect the mix within the box - becasue that is all time stamped maths

you really need to go and learn how computers work OK

[davor]

But alas that is not what we were talking about - but it is what most your digital myths articles were about

PS i am not 23

You should read more carefully, there's more to zeroes and ones to sound than you think, and I don't doubt that you're good at maths. Unfortunately that could not be said with reference to your ability to percieve nuances in sound quality. But as long as you are OK with that I'm OK with that. You're not 23? You're older? Ah, I thought that there was some hope for you, but.....

[Quaternion]

As excellent as Cubase SX is, its mixdown's have always sounded crap to my ears, whatever the settings.

There's a simple way of ascertaining whether or not the difference is in your head.

Download a soundcard recorder like AudioRecordWizard:

http://www.nowsmart.com/arwizard/index.html

(the demo will let you record 3 minutes)

set it to WAV and simply record your mix playing in Cubase.

You are trying to say that Cubase realtime mixing is BETTER than its offline rendering?

[davor]

oops you and your friend - bloody typo
- this is simple maths 1+1 = 2 every time

if you hear a difference you need your ears examined

Yes, I, and all the successful and sought after sound and mastering engineers who hear the difference, they all need their ears examined. And you, a would be amateur techno home quasi musician, you are the one to be taken as a judge. Sound is more than zeroes and ones, maybe after some 20 more years, you will come to be able to hear that. meanwhile I refer you to:

http://www.rogernichols.com/EQ/EQ_2000_02.html
http://nautiluspro.com/power_cords.htm

I'll quote Roger Nichols ( engineer for Steely Dan, and many others ) again ;
"Just remember, all of the expensive test gear said the pressings were perfect. The quality control people at the record company said we were crazy, the test equipment said the pressings were perfect. When asked if they listened to the CD pressing they said "No, do we need to?" Still the best piece of test gear is your ears."

He had similar problem when Steely Dan test cd didn't sound identical to the pressed one, although they were bit identical, and should have sounded identical according to the expensive test gear that the people like you used in the process of manufacturing. According to your mediocre ears, he would also be mildly insane.

from the same article

"Somehow the problem was in either the glass masters or the plating process afterwards that makes the stampers that press the CDs"

did you read those words - it was a fault with the glass mastering machine - nothing to do with digital generally

you are wrong OK

as for the cables article - yes a power supply improvement can reduce jitter - but that alas does not in any way affect how a computer adds up numbers

so the cord might reduce the noise in the output from your soundcard - but it will not in any way affect the mix within the box - becasue that is all time stamped maths

you really need to go and learn how computers work OK

No, now you're contradicting yourself pal. You sad that it's simple maths. If somethnig is mathematically bit identical, then it should sound identical, no? It' s all a matter of maths, you say. People like you called Mr Nichols crazy, just like you call me insane, because mathematically there should not have been any DIFFERENCE in sound, and all the test gear showed that there was no difference, it's only Mr. Nichols' ears, and the ears of his associates that spotted the difference, ALTHOUGH MATHEMATICALLY SPEAKING there should not have been any difference. Get it??

As regards the power cables, the difference was there also on playback. How do you explain that. Again the same zeroes and ones that MATHEMATICALLY speaking should sound the same, sounded differend upon the change of power cable. Get it?

[UltraJv]

I bet the music is crap anyway, it would have to be - worrying about the technicalities of mixdown is a dead give away

[donkey tugger]

Nice shirt though;

[Quaternion]

It's very simple. If it's bit identical and does NOT sound the same, other factors are responsible for that...

[ericj23]

christ on a bike - what is it i have to read more clearly ?

the problem here has nothing to do with perceiving sound quality OK - nothing - what the problem is you have not understood this

i have tried being nice - now its time to start getting getting nasty


go and read a book

[Sicklecell666]

How do you explain that.

[ericj23]

oops you and your friend - bloody typo
- this is simple maths 1+1 = 2 every time

if you hear a difference you need your ears examined

Yes, I, and all the successful and sought after sound and mastering engineers who hear the difference, they all need their ears examined. And you, a would be amateur techno home quasi musician, you are the one to be taken as a judge. Sound is more than zeroes and ones, maybe after some 20 more years, you will come to be able to hear that. meanwhile I refer you to:

http://www.rogernichols.com/EQ/EQ_2000_02.html
http://nautiluspro.com/power_cords.htm

I'll quote Roger Nichols ( engineer for Steely Dan, and many others ) again ;
"Just remember, all of the expensive test gear said the pressings were perfect. The quality control people at the record company said we were crazy, the test equipment said the pressings were perfect. When asked if they listened to the CD pressing they said "No, do we need to?" Still the best piece of test gear is your ears."

He had similar problem when Steely Dan test cd didn't sound identical to the pressed one, although they were bit identical, and should have sounded identical according to the expensive test gear that the people like you used in the process of manufacturing. According to your mediocre ears, he would also be mildly insane.

from the same article

"Somehow the problem was in either the glass masters or the plating process afterwards that makes the stampers that press the CDs"

did you read those words - it was a fault with the glass mastering machine - nothing to do with digital generally

you are wrong OK

as for the cables article - yes a power supply improvement can reduce jitter - but that alas does not in any way affect how a computer adds up numbers

so the cord might reduce the noise in the output from your soundcard - but it will not in any way affect the mix within the box - becasue that is all time stamped maths

you really need to go and learn how computers work OK

No, now you're contradicting yourself pal. You sad that it's simple maths. If somethnig is mathematically bit identical, then it should sound identical, no? It' s all mather of maths. People like you called Mr nichols crazy, just like you call me insane, because mathematically there should not have been DIFFERENCE in sound, and all the test gear showed that there is no difference, it's only Mr. nichols ears, and the ears of his associates that spotted the difference, aALTHOUGH MATEMATHICALLY SPEAKING there should not have been any difference. Get it??

As regards the power cables, the difference was there also on playback. How do you explain that. Again the same zeroes and ones that MATHEMATICALLY speaking should sound the same, sounded differend upon the change of power cable. Get it?

i am not contradicting myself - your just a moron

"If somethnig is mathematically bit identical, then it should sound identical, no? " - well if played through differnt DAC's or the same one with a more efficient timing clock or a better power supply - NO

even though it is bit identical

the article clearly states the error was in the pressing machine - OK - nothing to do with maths

now this little debate is about the digital addition inside the computer - it has nothing to do with the DAC in this case

the reason the cables makes a difference on playback is that DAC used in your computer are outside the box they are a seperate digital device to your computers timestamped internal computations

there is effectively jitter between the pc and its soundcard OK

no contradiction there

how do you explain my test of doig the mixdowns and reversing the phase and getting nothing left ?

if you cant go away - you have nothing to add to this debate

[M'Snah]

christ on a bike - what is it i have to read more clearly ?

the problem here has nothing to do with perceiving sound quality OK - nothing - what the problem is you have not understood this

i have tried being nice - now its time to start getting getting nasty


go and read a book

What makes you think you can convince davor? and more important: why would you care?