The Official review of NIN [With_Teeth] thread

[Hovmod]

There should be a new internet rule. If you bash a piece of music, you should have to point people in the direction of a current piece of music that you do enjoy.

I disagree. For all but a select few is the solution more accessible than the problem. I can tell you a lot of things that are wrong with music today, but not until someone shows me the solution will I go "Oh, of course - it's so obvious!"

[ResonantOrder]

There should be a new internet rule. If you bash a piece of music, you should have to point people in the direction of a current piece of music that you do enjoy.

I disagree. For all but a select few is the solution more accessible than the problem. I can tell you a lot of things that are wrong with music today, but not until someone shows me the solution will I go "Oh, of course - it's so obvious!"

I don't have the luxury of face to face contact in this forum. I don't know if your some regal diplomat of radio music, or a severely close-minded indie kid who'll die for vinyl-think a corporate whore like albini is god, etc. I'm not saying your any of these-or anyone else here. I'd just like to know who I'm dealing with. I can tell more about a person if they listed the last ten albums they've listened to than I can if I talk to them for an hour. I see most of the talk about NIN as more of an art/entertainment argument, much like the conversations I had in art school regarding giger/picasso/etc. You either like it or you don't.

I don't see NIN as a 'modern problem'. Trent does what he wants, and he makes lots of money. Isn't that what we all want? To be successful? I don't like everything he releases, but it's a hell of a lot better than all the capitalistic boo-ya 'music' that covers the current commercial spectrum. Trent's one of the good guys in my book.

[GruvSyco]

With Teeth seems a little more "roots" to me. I would imagine with Trent's age his "roots" are much like mine, early punk, new wave and even early synth punk. I definitely hear some Nitzer Ebb influence in this album (something I haven't heard in his stuff since Pretty Hate Machine). There's alot of simplicity in most of the album but, I think that's just drawing from the simplicity of punk.

I find the album to be pretty listenable. Alot moreso initially than his last few albums. But they have all grown on me except Broken (I do like Fixed though *shrugs*).

[Hovmod]

Whoa.
I didn't mean to offend you.
I just think that I should be allowed to point out what's wrong with stuff without having to come up with a solution.
And I think I mentioned earlier that I like "with teeth". And I didn't take part in any artyfarty existential debates before reaching that conclusion either. I didn't offer any cultural, political or historical reasons why I like it, and I don't care about your reasons to like it or not.

All I'm saying is that the internet would be pretty quiet if people had to offer a solution every time they point to a problem.

OK?

And I've sold all my vinyl, except Torture Garden by Naked City, because I had let someone borrow it and got it back after the deal was done

[MikeLeuz]

When I first heard With Teeth a few weeks ago (I got it early), I was very disappointed. But after a couple of weeks of almost non-stop play in the car and occasionally at work, With Teeth is growing on me... A LOT!

At this point, I have to ask why you kept playing something practially non-stop, if it disappointed you? Do you have a bit of masochist in you? Are you researching new forms of non-lethal weapons? Were you doing a study for a university phsychology class, and all the lab rats were taken by the other students, so you conducted this brutal experiment on yourself instead? I just gotta know!


McLilith

I have about a 25-minute commute to work, and haven't been driving elsewhere lately... so listening in the car non-stop translates to hearing the entire album about once a day.

Honestly, the album really snuck up on me. I left it playing in the car out of laziness of not switching cd's more than anything else. I really didn't expect it to grow on me... in fact my consciousness was probably trying to pick it apart to make fun of it to my friends more than anything else... but somehow my subconsiousness took over and somehow convinced me that I really like the album. I'll never consider it a masterpiece... but it just has something that puts it ahead of many other similar albums imho.

[ResonantOrder]

Whoa.
I didn't mean to offend you.
I just think that I should be allowed to point out what's wrong with stuff without having to come up with a solution.
And I think I mentioned earlier that I like "with teeth". And I didn't take part in any artyfarty existential debates before reaching that conclusion either. I didn't offer any cultural, political or historical reasons why I like it, and I don't care about your reasons to like it or not.

All I'm saying is that the internet would be pretty quiet if people had to offer a solution every time they point to a problem.

OK?

And I've sold all my vinyl, except Torture Garden by Naked City, because I had let someone borrow it and got it back after the deal was done

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm not offended at all by anything said or otherwise. I'm just putting in my .02 like everyone else.

I still have about 2,500 vinyl albums.

[Hovmod]

I still have about 2,500 vinyl albums.

It's a lot easier to move house now that I don't have them anymore

[deggy]

I have to say, "With Teeth" has really kinda wore on me a lot over the past week. I now think it's a pretty solid CD. I guess that happens some times. Like I said, the With Teeth stuff sounds even better live, especially the songs "With Teeth" and "Don't you know what you are". The "raw" guitar-rock feel to album reminds me a little of some 80's Albini stuff. I still think that there are a few songs that overstay their welcome but for the most part, this is a pretty decent hard rock album. I think I was a little hard on it earlier on in this thread. Yeah it's not another "Downward Spiral" but that's not what I think Trent intended it to be. Yeah, a lot of the songs aren't as layered as some of the earlier nin material but that's just part of the more rock-oriented stripped down approach that he's using this time around. This album definitely has some good moments. I'm really looking forward to that possible instrumental album that they have been talking about releasing next year as well.

[intel]

I'd just like to know who I'm dealing with. I can tell more about a person if they listed the last ten albums they've listened to than I can if I talk to them for an hour.

ok. feel free to apply this to your personality yardstick and then determine the voracity of my opinion.

in order from most recent back:
• Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - The Good Son
• Adam & The Ants - Dirk Wears White Socks
• Black Sabbath - Paranoid
• The Faint - Wet From Birth
• Bis - Social Dancing
• Meg Lee Chin - Piece and Love
• Rage Against The Machine - Evil Empire
• Stevie Wonder - personal compilation
• Screamin' Jay Hawkins - I Put A Spell On You
• DEVO - Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are DEVO.

those are the last 10 cds to grace the player in my automobile. if you need further clarification about my listening habits, don't hesitate to ask. I would love nothing more than to spend hours trying to justify my opinion by listing music that I don't find as abhorrently trite and boring as With Teeth.

[herodotus]

Who is this Trent Reznor, and why all the fuss?

[lsd]

BT - Movement In Still life
The Faint - Danse Macabre
Perfect Circle - Emotive
Bjork - Remixes
Resident Evil - Score
Aphex Twin - Come to Daddy
Skinny Puppy - The Greater Wrong of the Right
Faith No More - Album of the Year
Lisa Gerarld - The Mirror Pool
Celldweller - Debut


Kidney Thieves -

[origami]

I like With Teeth as I've said. But I love lists, so a tentative 10 top list of mine would be, maybe:

The Legendary Pink Dots - the maria dimension
Skinny Puppy - the greater wrong of the right
Haujobb - solutions for a small planet
The Tear Garden - last man to fly
Nine Inch Nails - downward spiral
Future Sound of London - lifeforms
Mlada Fronta - fe203
Einsturzende Neubauten - silence is sexy
The Young Gods - second nature
Nitzer Ebb - belief

(best positioned candidates:

Can - tago mago
Edward Ka-Spel - chyekk china doll
Front 242 - up evil
Depeche Mode - music for the masses
The Cure - kiss me kiss me kiss me

[APHELEON2K5]

the drums! the f**king drums! i am having trouble finding another drum sound that hits that f'n hard. even been through my fav metal albums...nothing can hold up over all. they sound huge, but they don't eat up the mix. the kicks are thunderous, but they gel perfectly with the bass.

also getting guitars synths and distorted bass to gel together is no easy task, and this is probably the cleanest example i have ever heard.

i think some of your ego's are writting checks your critical listening skills can't cash...

[ugo]

im enjoying with teeth. its a bit different, but then again no 2 nin cd's have really ever been the same. its always very trent, yet always a little different. but i suppose im a fanboy. i've liked all the full cd's, ep's, several of the remix cds, and both cds that make up halo 17 (live + still.)

i was actually a bit skeptical about this cd when i first heard the single, but that grew on me too. in fact, the more i listen to the cd, the more i like it. in general, i feel that teeth, fragile, and spiral are best appreciated when listened to (and viewed as) a whole work rather than just a collection of single songs.

-ugo

[deggy]

i think some of your ego's are writting checks your critical listening skills can't cash...

i prob deserve that. point well taken