Miroslav Philharmonik Pre-Orders Open!!!

[Mr. Tunes]

Just to be clear, I wasn't bent out of shape over the issue of the credit thing.

i know but i guess i was stirring the pot a little, i'm sorry

[Mr. Tunes]

So will Philharmonik be crediting the musicians who's playing was sampled ?

haha now that is another issue! in the past though, squids has told us some of the players he uses on certain samples. but you have to read through the forum to find them

[telebunke]

OK, I should share my wisdomw with all of you.
Sure it makes sense to credit SS2 or Phil when used. And there's lots of occasions where it would be appropriate. And as squids said, there's cases where it's not possible for some reason.
I think that as soon as the tool plays a dominat role, it's a clear thing.
Lets say you made a track with only Groove Capsules on the beat, well that should me credited if possible.

tele

[Squids]

So will Philharmonik be crediting the musicians who's playing was sampled ?

Btw, I'll ask just one more time. Is there going to be any more detailed info on the Choir elements of this product and what about a demo or two (of the choirs)

Exactly. And the maker's of their instruments and the lumberjack who chopped the wood and his parent's parents? It never ends. We all deserve credit.

I missed your question about the choirs. Yes there will be more information and eventually a demo as well. However, we've included all of the released Classical Choir material. We didn't add to much additional choir material although I have a ton of unreleased archives to go through at some point for possible future release.

[Squids]

So will Philharmonik be crediting the musicians who's playing was sampled ?

haha now that is another issue! in the past though, squids has told us some of the players he uses on certain samples. but you have to read through the forum to find them

Yes, and some of them are actually quite famous and don't want to be credited. Others wouldn't mind either way. Some are work for hire and are happy just to get the work just as we are happy just to have you purchase the product. When I can I tend to credit a fair amount though or at least make mention in the thank yous of the docs. Tunes, I think you are mentioned in some of those. Plus, your SS2 patch "Mr Tunes What The" has made you immortal.

[Mr. Tunes]

When I can I tend to credit a fair amount though or at least make mention in the thank yous of the docs. Tunes, I think you are mentioned in some of those. Plus, your SS2 patch "Mr Tunes What The" has made you immortal.

yes i love seeing that patch and am grateful for it all the time. i think my eyes were teary when i first saw it. i do appreciate getting credit like that and would never hesistate to return the credits on my future album (2 years in the making folks!). i'm scheduling the release for Fall 2005, but you guys keep coming out with new products that make take a new approach to production every season. Sonik Synth 2 took everything to a new level for me, on top of getting a good education this year helped a lot too. i graduate next month btw.

here is a sound that i hear in a lot of commercials that i always think was done by sonic reality: it's the Dune Buggy patch. I also feel like i recognize a ton of keyboard samples too but i think you guys just sample the original instruments so well that i'm fooled into thinking it was done by SR.

[Rellik]

Alright - good points, Squids. The price isn't going up anytime within the pre-order period, is it, though? And there will be more demo's coming out within that period, as well? That's what I was referring to - of course everyone wants that price, before it goes up.

I don't really count the demos on esoundz as being anywhere near enough to cover the necessary bases, though. I realize that I'm a fairly difficult 'customer-to-be', and I appreciate how cooperative the whole SR team is. Not that I apologize for being difficult, of course I've never bought anything right at launch before, and I always rely on reviews and the countless user-made demo's that become available, so I'm extremely nervous as to the quality of this library.

By the way, the demo I was speaking of http://www.ilio.com/miraslov/media/miro ... estral.mp3. It just sounds... ... listen to that trumpet section, and the solo violin!! And the winds... and the strings... how perfectly articulate they are, and how expressive! But it sounds nothing like the esoundz demo's... although those don't sound bad. That's why I'm very hesitant.

[vic_france]

By the way, the demo I was speaking of http://www.ilio.com/miraslov/media/miro ... estral.mp3. It just sounds... ... listen to that trumpet section, and the solo violin!! And the winds... and the strings... how perfectly articulate they are, and how expressive!

and just to add to the "credits" discussion, a quick search on the Ilio site shows that this truly phenomenal demo was done by Martin Erskine (does anyone know to the contrary(?), but since this is merely entitled "Orchestra Demo-long version", I can only presume that this was actually composed, arranged and performed by Mr. Erskine).. it is truly wonderful, anyways .
I can't find any info on what sampler was used for that demo (the disks were available in Akai, EMU EOS, Kurzweil, Roland, Giga, and SampleCell formats... but here's some technical notes on some of the detail that went into programming the Kurzweil presets, for example), or even a date for when it was made, but seeing as how Miroslav Philharmonik contains all the original samples (and, apparently, even more?), the main question is therefore, "Does the Philharmonic player engine offer all the necessary MIDI control that was used on whatever this demo was created on?" (if IK have acted upon all the user Feature Requests, there is hope!... certainly, it will be wonderful to be able to "Stretch" vibrato speeds and attack times, like Squids has already hinted at, but just as important is to be able to use a MIDI controller for expression without for example having the reverb output also go up and down [in the current ST2, Part level is only controllable post fx], nor can one currently crossfade between two layers (e.g. vib & non-vib of a strings section), and even if one could reverse controller values, there would remain nowhere to MIDI-control the level of the composite crossfaded instrument, and also at the moment we're still missing all the extra expression which becomes possible when aftertouch can be used as a MIDI controller (lthough it is already present in certain instuments).. we'll all know more about that soon enough, and there's still ST2.1 to come, of course ... the point being that whatever controls are needed must be available in the Sampletank engine, because the samples themselves can't be imported into anything else!
Anyways, I can't see myself not getting this package.. I'm mainly just waiting for whatever news on July 5th, and, on a non-related note, still trying to fathom out whether there is any advantage for a Platinum member to buy the full package rather than the crossgrade?

EDIT: I've just seen that the price of the full product has just increased (along with the "Platinum" price), while the crossgrade price is still the same, so now there's a greater difference between the two.. o.k. looks like I'll be getting the crossgrade then

[Squids]

The esoundz platinum members get a nice discount on items that aren't "on sale" or "fixed price". Philharmonik was always supposed to be fixed at no lower than $399 for the full version and even that is temporary. So, a few lucky people may have taken advantage of the mistake and ordered it for less but that's why being impulsive pays off. The crossgrade was always at a fixed price (meaning that extra discounts don't apply) and that is why the price hadn't changed. But, not only will the price of the crossgrade go up in a matter of months (don't know when exactly) but eventually there won't be a crossgrade at all. It's meant to be a limited time offering to further reward loyal SampleTank 2 users.

esoundz platinum members will be qualified for a few other related things though coming up though where they can take advantage of their level of support. But, for the pre-orders of this product all esoundz members get the same good deal. I'll answer some other fun stuff in my next post.

[Squids]

Alright - good points, Squids. The price isn't going up anytime within the pre-order period, is it, though? And there will be more demo's coming out within that period, as well? That's what I was referring to - of course everyone wants that price, before it goes up.

I don't really count the demos on esoundz as being anywhere near enough to cover the necessary bases, though. I realize that I'm a fairly difficult 'customer-to-be', and I appreciate how cooperative the whole SR team is. Not that I apologize for being difficult, of course I've never bought anything right at launch before, and I always rely on reviews and the countless user-made demo's that become available, so I'm extremely nervous as to the quality of this library.

By the way, the demo I was speaking of http://www.ilio.com/miraslov/media/miro ... estral.mp3. It just sounds... ... listen to that trumpet section, and the solo violin!! And the winds... and the strings... how perfectly articulate they are, and how expressive! But it sounds nothing like the esoundz demo's... although those don't sound bad. That's why I'm very hesitant.

Sure. I understand. Some people are always very cautious and some people are confident knowing what the ingredients are in this equation (Miroslav collection, SR, IK, ST2 engine, the relative price etc.). There's a lot of hype surrounding this product no question. At the same time I personally believe that what people already know about it isn't even the whole picture. It is in my opinion even BETTER than most people are probably expecting. However, since it is subjective and I know that it isn't perfection (yet to find anything that is really) there are always people that have different expectations and of course taste, playing ability or whatever else is a factor in judging a product... even their audio system. Anyway, no pressure here. The price isn't going up for at least a few months so take your time. There will be more and more demos. They'll all sound different but the original Miroslav demos are made with the same material as what is including in this product (plus it has more as has been said).

[Squids]

By the way, the demo I was speaking of http://www.ilio.com/miraslov/media/miro ... estral.mp3. It just sounds... ... listen to that trumpet section, and the solo violin!! And the winds... and the strings... how perfectly articulate they are, and how expressive!

and just to add to the "credits" discussion, a quick search on the Ilio site shows that this truly phenomenal demo was done by Martin Erskine (does anyone know to the contrary(?), but since this is merely entitled "Orchestra Demo-long version", I can only presume that this was actually composed, arranged and performed by Mr. Erskine).. it is truly wonderful, anyways .
I can't find any info on what sampler was used for that demo (the disks were available in Akai, EMU EOS, Kurzweil, Roland, Giga, and SampleCell formats... but here's some technical notes on some of the detail that went into programming the Kurzweil presets, for example), or even a date for when it was made, but seeing as how Miroslav Philharmonik contains all the original samples (and, apparently, even more?), the main question is therefore, "Does the Philharmonic player engine offer all the necessary MIDI control that was used on whatever this demo was created on?" (if IK have acted upon all the user Feature Requests, there is hope!... certainly, it will be wonderful to be able to "Stretch" vibrato speeds and attack times, like Squids has already hinted at, but just as important is to be able to use a MIDI controller for expression without for example having the reverb output also go up and down [in the current ST2, Part level is only controllable post fx], nor can one currently crossfade between two layers (e.g. vib & non-vib of a strings section), and even if one could reverse controller values, there would remain nowhere to MIDI-control the level of the composite crossfaded instrument, and also at the moment we're still missing all the extra expression which becomes possible when aftertouch can be used as a MIDI controller (lthough it is already present in certain instuments).. we'll all know more about that soon enough, and there's still ST2.1 to come, of course ... the point being that whatever controls are needed must be available in the Sampletank engine, because the samples themselves can't be imported into anything else!
Anyways, I can't see myself not getting this package.. I'm mainly just waiting for whatever news on July 5th, and, on a non-related note, still trying to fathom out whether there is any advantage for a Platinum member to buy the full package rather than the crossgrade?

EDIT: I've just seen that the price of the full product has just increased (along with the "Platinum" price), while the crossgrade price is still the same, so now there's a greater difference between the two.. o.k. looks like I'll be getting the crossgrade then

Vic, you are a wise man.

Okay, time to reveal a little more pieces of the puzzle. I like to tell a little bit more each day. Well, you'll all know a lot in 2 days anyway so I'll spill a few more beans. This will be some good stuff.

1. The problem of changing parts and losing the reverb trail or level is not a problem... Hmmmm. Can't say more about that one just yet but you can imagine that this is something new... it is.

2. The quality of the reverb options has increased as well. Hmmmmm. Oh re-he-heally? (Ace Ventura... just having fun here. I like to tease).

3. There are some cool macros assigned to every patch. I can tell you about some of those (info never revealed before). One is a velocity to env amp attack "amount". But, it is a cool knob because as you turn it up it does everything for you in terms of musical offsets with the attack and amount to go faster. The result is more animation in the attack according to velocity and you can choose as little as NONE and as much as a real drastic "slow to fast" control of the amplitude of the sound. That's in addition to whatever other things like crosswitching dynamics are going on. Another macro is something we call "push" and it is an aftertouch amount to both amp level and subtle filter at the same time. It simulates the sound of pushing an acoustic instrument a little harder/louder. It would get brighter and louder at the same time such as a trumpet or a violin (or all of them really). It is default to off but you can turn it up if your controller has aftertouch and get some more instant expression.

4. Is my favorite number. I've said too much for today probably. Oh, okay, you can crossfade between sounds... I don't think there's much that was programmed in the previous hardware sampler versions that isn't in these and yet there is so much more that Philharmonik can do because of the advanced sample engines of 2.1

There's obviously even more than what I am saying but since I am not really supposed to reveal any of this I say as much as I can get away with to keep you guys interested. Plus it is kind of fun building up anticipation for those that will enjoy the product that much more (including the hundreds of people who were ALREADY sold on it and have pre-ordered to be first in line to get it).

[jeslipa]

The esoundz platinum members get a nice discount on items that aren't "on sale" or "fixed price". Philharmonik was always supposed to be fixed at no lower than $399 for the full version and even that is temporary. So, a few lucky people may have taken advantage of the mistake and ordered it for less but that's why being impulsive pays off. The crossgrade was always at a fixed price (meaning that extra discounts don't apply) and that is why the price hadn't changed. But, not only will the price of the crossgrade go up in a matter of months (don't know when exactly) but eventually there won't be a crossgrade at all. It's meant to be a limited time offering to further reward loyal SampleTank 2 users.

esoundz platinum members will be qualified for a few other related things though coming up though where they can take advantage of their level of support. But, for the pre-orders of this product all esoundz members get the same good deal. I'll answer some other fun stuff in my next post.

I am more than happy with the price I got, I hope you don't change your mind! I was one of those lucky few. I am more than looking forward to getting this!

[Squids]

The esoundz platinum members get a nice discount on items that aren't "on sale" or "fixed price". Philharmonik was always supposed to be fixed at no lower than $399 for the full version and even that is temporary. So, a few lucky people may have taken advantage of the mistake and ordered it for less but that's why being impulsive pays off. The crossgrade was always at a fixed price (meaning that extra discounts don't apply) and that is why the price hadn't changed. But, not only will the price of the crossgrade go up in a matter of months (don't know when exactly) but eventually there won't be a crossgrade at all. It's meant to be a limited time offering to further reward loyal SampleTank 2 users.

esoundz platinum members will be qualified for a few other related things though coming up though where they can take advantage of their level of support. But, for the pre-orders of this product all esoundz members get the same good deal. I'll answer some other fun stuff in my next post.

I am more than happy with the price I got, I hope you don't change your mind! I was one of those lucky few. I am more than looking forward to getting this!

You're safe. Unless something is drastically wrong which rarely happens, we don't change your price after the fact. So, good for you! You never know. That's why there's "your price" and if it is a good one you can afford then you might as well grab it (said the salesman but you know what I mean).

[vic_france]

Squids,
that made for some real sweet reading! (strange how the words "aftertouch" and "crossfading between sounds" seem to have jumped out of the screen at me in bright colours!:-))

Update: just placed my order for the crossgrade!

[Caleb]

The first person who responds to this message with an eSoundz username gets my referral for Miro - the clock is ticking....

Squids - was bummed out to read about the mistake in member discounts. Was very happy with that price.

In any case, purchasing now anyway. I want to make sure I make the purchase before I talk myself out of it.

Caleb