new fruity stuff

[Carbonboy]

Here, concentrate on what this does

Does it make coffe?

[bmanic]

I'll agree with easymode on this one. While it's not a lossless format, at 192kpbs a human can't hear the difference.

When saying stuff like this it would be advised to use the dreaded IMHO. In this case your statement is very much false. I know tons of people who hear the difference and who are not in any way trained to listen to subtle differences. Heck, even my dear old mother complained when I converted some of her favourite classical pieces to mp3 (192kpbs, latest version of LAME encoder).

- bManic

[verstaerker]

I'll agree with easymode on this one. While it's not a lossless format, at 192kpbs a human can't hear the difference.

When saying stuff like this it would be advised to use the dreaded IMHO. In this case your statement is very much false. I know tons of people who hear the difference and who are not in any way trained to listen to subtle differences. Heck, even my dear old mother complained when I converted some of her favourite classical pieces to mp3 (192kpbs, latest version of LAME encoder).

- bManic

i can only agree - the fact that every mp3 is cut at 16kHz (no matter what bit-rate or encoder) makes it
very clear that it can't sound the same - the missing 6 kHz must be there for something.

A hint for better quality mp3s is not to use the joint-stereo mode - i had really bad results with that mode.

[DavenH]

In easymode's defence, my hifi system isn't good enough to articulate the difference between a 192 mp3 and wav. My headphones are another matter, with accurate response up to 25000Hz
Now I don't have a pair of studio monitors to compare with, but if they aren't accurate enough to render that shuffly mp3 sound, they are no good for my purposes.

Which is why I think that most people's perceptions of mp3 quality are more in the speakers than the ears.


So. Any pics of the new mixer yet?

[peejunk]

i can only agree - the fact that every mp3 is cut at 16kHz (no matter what bit-rate or encoder)

Bollocks. In LAME and many other encoders you can choose whether or not to bandlimit the signal before encoding, as well as both high cut and low cut frequency. You obviously had expirience with crappy encoders and/or badly encoded mp3s.

192kbps is transparent for most pop, rock or dance music materials i.e. stuff that is heavily compressed and processed. More dynamic/sparse stuff like acoustic, jazz or orchestral music, or stuff like single instruments vocals etc might require bigger bitrate to be transparent.

Ogg Vorbis is superior to mp3 and transparence is reached at much lower bitrates. Only issue I have with ogg is that it doesen't preserve frequency balance of highs resulting in slightly brighter sounding encoded copies at lower bitrates. At about 160 this issue is unnoticeable to me.

[smart]

some tasty stuff ! Can't wait

[verstaerker]

i can only agree - the fact that every mp3 is cut at 16kHz (no matter what bit-rate or encoder)

Bollocks. In LAME and many other encoders you can choose whether or not to bandlimit the signal before encoding, as well as both high cut and low cut frequency. You obviously had expirience with crappy encoders and/or badly encoded mp3s.

i tried lot's of diffrent encoders - i've not seen on any this option.

anyway i'm fine with the quality of mp3 for most uses.
I'm used to archive my CDs at 256 kbps - but i'm somehow worried that there's something missing.

[Buka]

hy
is FLS 6 gonna have "freeze".
that tracktion system is great...maybe they could implement that...
when i turn of that little light in step sequencer the vsti should go to freeze and free my cpu (export the audio data from that vsti channel)

something like this is already posible but is not nearly that elegant...u can export the mixer channel
and than delete the vsti to free the cpu...well deleting the vsti and than loading it again to change something is not very workflow efficient.
that freeze thing is a great tool because some of us cant aford to buy a new machine every 6 months and the cpu usage rises with every new plugin

until they sort this thing out ill stay on tracktion
cheers

[mwa]

Any idea when FL6 is going to be released?

Also.. are all these new plugins going to be included with FL, or will they be seperate purchases like Sytrus?

[verstaerker]

Any idea when FL6 is going to be released?

Also.. are all these new plugins going to be included with FL, or will they be seperate purchases like Sytrus?

i guess on december




2069

[pummel]

Even if there were large, noticable differences between mp3, ogg, and wave; who give a f**k.

Do we select the music we listen too based on potential artifacts (measurable only in science lab)?

Personally, I would favor a crap recording of brilliant material over a pristine recording of crap any day.

[OzoneJunkie]

Wondering about a bugfix: when the folder window is not docked, it's still "always on top"

[The Chase]

Even if there were large, noticable differences between mp3, ogg, and wave; who give a f**k.

Do we select the music we listen too based on potential artifacts (measurable only in science lab)?

Personally, I would favor a crap recording of brilliant material over a pristine recording of crap any day.

were talking originally about the samples we use in music, not the music itself

[deaneager]

Any idea when FL6 is going to be released?

Also.. are all these new plugins going to be included with FL, or will they be seperate purchases like Sytrus?

i guess on december




2069

Surely sooner than that! Final releases normally go out within 6 weeks of betas and the betas are out now. With Live 5 being imminent too, surely the pressure is on to release an update sooner rather than later?

[pummel]

were talking originally about the samples we use in music, not the music itself

Yea, for the samples that go into making the music.

OK, let me clarify -- perhaps for a profession studio, sample quality matters. Maybe. But from a hobbiest point of view?

Making an issue over subtle differences in a sample, which ends up as just one part in a 20+ channel mix ? Really?

I suppose no one remember the marginal sound quality of the original EMU 8 bit samplers. Although, perhaps the consumer level versions (at $2k+ ) never made it into pro studios.