KVR Audio

goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:28 pm

At the risk of being annoying, I'm going to throw in my 2 pence:

Synthix and DIVA are arguably the most powerful, complex, soft Synth objects to date. They are fully capable of replacing hardware synths, (not ALL, but some)...they live in the same realm. Further: XILS is trying to do something with the GUI that looks to be very complex from an implementation perspective-I personally am surprised with how utterly well XILS was able to pull off what they have done thus far-keep in mind that this is a REALLY small company, people.

Also: I've had a number of personal emails with Xavier-you WANT Xavier and others that are high-level moral and ethical individuals designing/building/supporting very complex softs like Synthix-and in fairness, it really couldn't work any other way!

Fixes will happen-the product is backed by some of the best people in the industry.

So please exercise as much patience as possible-remember that we are in the Holidays, and that we are human beings with families and family commitments, etc. That may keep us from spending as much time as we would like taking care of our customers (true in my industry)

-Roger

DrWashington · Post by **DrWashington** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:34 am

xavier wrote:Hi DrWashington,

I agree this part should (and will) be improved.
For me keeping the right click to get more precision is very important (right click, left click, you still have the same action, only the precision is changing).

Actually for MIDI assignation, you just have to "ctrl+alt+cmd" + click on your parameter. This will open the MIDI panel with the correct parameter already selected. Click on learn and move your MIDI CC. It's done.

But what could be done is automatically enable the learn feature. In that way after ctrl+alt+cmd +clic, just move you MIDI CC.

Maybe these three key modifiers are to much. So I could change them by Ctrl+click only (and a double click to return to the memorized default value).
I also could not open the MIDI panel automatically.

An other way, but maybe not so obvious : a simple click on a parameter and while you keep it hold, moving a CC will affect it.

let me know (you and others) what do you think.

Best regards
Xavier

OK, how about this? Right-click for MIDI learn (it's becoming something of a standard, and for good reason: it makes setting up and getting busy really, really fast), and have left-click + right-click for precision mouse editing. Most soft synths out there use ctrl + click for precision knob tweaking, which makes sense to me... I have the 'back' button on my mouse assigned to ctrl to make this a bit easier for me.

Yes, I agree, it is too many buttons to bring up MIDI learn, and MIDI learn should at least be enabled by default. I just love the speed and intuitive nature of context menus. Soft synths + context menus = ease of use for me.

I grew up using Macs exclusively, but eventually switched to PC because I just like the feel of the OS better. I make no apologies for this, and I've had a Mac (as a secondary machine) up until very recently. I still like them for some things, but rich, usable context menus, among other things, like true window maximization just make a whole lot of sense from my perspective. If I can work quickly and without having to think too much, I'm happy.

I think standardization of working methods among soft synth developers is a very, very good thing! Too many just want to stand out for no reason, and the users end up paying the price in that they have to work harder to get less done. I think Camel Audio's Alchemy is doing just about everything right in terms of interface. The only things I'd add would be undo capability in the additive and other editors, and a menu that shows all modulation routings.

DrWashington · Post by **DrWashington** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:45 am

Oh, and I agree about the laser harp/JMJ nonsense. People, please! Get over it! Get out there and do something NEW! Way, way too much time is spent on KVR trying to mimic that which has already been done. What's the point?

Xenos · Post by **Xenos** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:57 am

Just bought this recently and absolutely love it. Great job, Xils-Lab!

. I like the fact that many devs out there go beyond just trying to emulate the original and add all sorts of forward-thinking additions. The layering function in SynthiX is some pretty powerful stuff and great for making complex atmospheres/sounscapes.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:09 am

I just bought Synthix and I'm also facing some issues.
Seeing the kind of reply from the company as well looking as at the quality of the synths they sell I have absolutely no doubt that these issues will be addressed In timely matter based on integrity and goodwill.

It's not that easy to just compare different developers. It's more challenging to reproduce rather then create from scratch.
IMO, without take anything away from Xils-lab, u-he is a special case of a freaking genius at work, but still even his creations are not perfect all the time.

I'm glad I could get Synthix as it is with the discount and enjoy the present knowing everything will be fine soon.

soundzonic · Post by **soundzonic** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:58 pm

Hi all, I'm a new owner of the synthix, and see some of the things you write about here, but I don't have the urge to read all the 51 pages to find an answer to my question:
Is it a general problem with latency with this plugin?

I have adjusted my system to avoid latency (reaction-time from playing the keys to sound appears), but seem to have some annoying latency on the Synthix,- is this a known issue?

Thanks for any input

Just a note: Synthix is the only plugin wich has this problem on my system, I also have the PolyKB and a bunch of other plugins that don't have this problem.

soundzonic · Post by **soundzonic** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:28 pm

An update: I've installed the 64bit-version number 1.0.2 and that took away the latency problem it seems,- but I can't import the Synthek A and B sounds I bought...I'll try to reach them on Facebook instead.

xavier · Post by **xavier** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:40 pm

soundzonic wrote:An update: I've installed the 64bit-version number 1.0.2 and that took away the latency problem it seems,- but I can't import the Synthek A and B sounds I bought...I'll try to reach them on Facebook instead.

Hi,

This is a known (and soon fixed) issue with the 64 bit version.
a work around until the new version : import the bank with the 32 bis (on windows you must select the same install folder for the both version)

If you need more help or support, feel free to contact us directly through our web contact page (support->contact us)

We are still working hard to fix the few problems, especially related to the GUI on windows 7. Some news should come soon.

Best regards
Xavier

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:06 pm

The 32 and 64 installers need to make sure they share the same preset folder - at the moment they are separate

As I've pointed out many times, it would be much much easier for us end users if the presets were manageable by the user and visible in the file system - ie in a clearly identifiable and moveable folder location with a filename corresponding to each preset instead of numbers. All my XILS synths, much as I love them for the sound, have a tangled mess of nested patches and there is still no way to easily manage them as I don't know where they are on the file system.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:26 pm

aMUSEd wrote:The 32 and 64 installers need to make sure they share the same preset folder - at the moment they are separate

As I've pointed out many times, it would be much much easier for us end users if the presets were manageable by the user and visible in the file system - ie in a clearly identifiable and moveable folder location with a filename corresponding to each preset instead of numbers. All my XILS synths, much as I love them for the sound, have a tangled mess of nested patches and there is still no way to easily manage them as I don't know where they are on the file system.

32 & 64 bit systems I agree, we're working to find what can be the best solution.

Else Stephen ( on Windows please adapt to Mac if necessary) : When you install a Xils-Synth, before you choose your VST folder you specify another install dir, named according to the synth beeing installed : It is in this folder that you can find all the presets.

The preset numbers are here just to guaranty one thing : You'll never loose a preset ( except because of the crash of a HD ) because two versions of the same preset can have the SAME name (but different settings ) and still coexist in this folder, wich is not possible if regular windows/mac names + suffix wwere used. For the same reasons you can use the functions like "move to" or "save as" to have the same preset present in several categories, or projects, even if only the settings have been modified form one version to another one.

So this system clearly has its pros and its cons : imho its much more safe and powerfull than systems using standard preset names for the file. But, like you mentioned it its not apparent in clear via the OS browser.

These are old debates for database conception. And really people have very valid arguments for one or the other version.

If you want to back up all your files/categories/custom patches/ project patches in a safe and simple way, just zip this entire folder and back it up on a DVD/CD/USB thing.

Choosing another system would mean building another completely different database system. The double criteria Xils search engine is -and really imho- one of the most fast and powerfull ones, and yet it's independant of all the database management tools on this, that Mac or PC environment. And you can back it up very easily.

Well pros and cons like I said but now you can eventually balance with more clues and hopefully a clearer idea of whats going on.

L.

LtZ

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:50 pm

I'm sorry but it just doesn't work for me - with all 3 synths I have the patches are all over the place - so many are uncategorised and it would take so long to categorise them as you have to do it one by one and to access the patch manager it's usually at the bottom of a list 100+ presets long and off the screen. It really is the most offputting aspect of these synths. I would much prefer to have them in folders with real file names and just sort them out all at once.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:26 am

hmmmm 100+ patches

Ok I'll send you a picture in your mail wich will solve at least this for you.

Unless you have created yourself some 100s of presets without any tag, there's always some very simple ways to reduce the list lenght in the center preset dropdown list.

But a picture will tell more than words, I'll do that tomorrow, I'm a bit tired now.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:49 am

Our German friends of Keys Magazine have tested the Synthix in their last issue.

Here are a few quotes from the review ( Thanks to Mr Martin Hirsch ) :

Pros
mächtige Emulation eines Klassikers
zeitgemäße Zusatzfunktionen
erstklassiger Sound
and Cons
keine 64-Bit-Versionen

Wer kein absoluter Synthesizer-Neuling ist, sollte unbedingt eine Runde mit der Demoversion drehen.

------_______

Btw the Synthix Mac x64 public beta versions are now available at your usual DL location. If the results are encouraging, as the Windows versions are available for some time now, we're hopefully not that far from the goal.

irunak · Post by **irunak** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:51 pm

[quote="Xenos"]Just bought this recently and absolutely love it. Great job, Xils-Lab!

. I like the fact that many devs out there go beyond just trying to emulate the original and add all sorts of forward-thinking additions. The layering function in SynthiX is some pretty powerful stuff and great for making complex atmospheres/sounscapes.[/quote]I like it, but most patches cause crackling on my computer or lap top. I don't run on any special sound card, just straight through the speakers, maybe that's why, though other soft synths don't.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:22 pm

irunak wrote:
Xenos wrote:Just bought this recently and absolutely love it. Great job, Xils-Lab! . I like the fact that many devs out there go beyond just trying to emulate the original and add all sorts of forward-thinking additions. The layering function in SynthiX is some pretty powerful stuff and great for making complex atmospheres/sounscapes.

I like it, but most patches cause crackling on my computer or lap top. I don't run on any special sound card, just straight through the speakers, maybe that's why, though other soft synths don't.

Hi Irunak,

Well sorry to hear that. Synthix, though as not not CPU demanding as some other new synths, can be demanding on the CPU. So if there's a difference between some patches its might be because 1/ You dont use ASIO drivers ( Maybe try ASIO4all if you dont have specific ASIO drivers for your soundcard ) 2/ If you use ASIO drivers you should try to increase the latency (ie 128 instead of 64, or maybe 256 etc ) and see if this eliminates the crackles.

Synthix is now reported to work quietly by thousands of users ( let's ireverse that : Thousands of users stay silent about bugs so we extrapolate it works ok for them ) but I'd prefer you gave us some details about your configuration ( OS/32 or 64bit/Daw (32/64)/System/Soundcard ) to see if there's something we can investigate from our side to possibly help you.

LtZ

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