Ohmboyz Infinity

[machinesworking]

I don't want to add to the typical nonsense about Mac VS PC, but I feel in this case it's important.
Apple has switched chips twice in the last 20 years, the final switch is to their own design. There is absolutely no reason for them to switch again. Every major rewrite level change to Mac OS in at least the last 6 years has been due to subtle rewrites of the code to facilitate an easier transition to Apple Silicon. There was a "golden age" where Apple was on Intel without any major changes to the OS, early on, and that's why. We are likely seeing the end of Apple compatibility issues that can be tied to the OS. This will not stop certain Windows users from complaining though.

VST 3 very soon.

Native not anytime soon.

I hate saying this, but you're sinking your ship even further with this logic. Nobody wants to use modern super fast chips that can keep up with the furnaces on the PC side, but get throttled by Rosetta. Cubase users don't want to run their DAW in Rosetta for your delay.

When I'm buying plug ins I want a long term investment in the OS I use, Rosetta is not a long term investment. I own All All, I'm not buying non native plug ins from someone flatly telling me they aren't at all interested in coding for the chips in my computer. Like I mentioned above, this is probably the last major rewrite, so I want a level of commitment out of the developer. Last in line breeds no confidence.

[dayjob]

I don't want to add to the typical nonsense about Mac VS PC, but I feel in this case it's important.
Apple has switched chips twice in the last 20 years, the final switch is to their own design. There is absolutely no reason for them to switch again. Every major rewrite level change to Mac OS in at least the last 6 years has been due to subtle rewrites of the code to facilitate an easier transition to Apple Silicon. There was a "golden age" where Apple was on Intel without any major changes to the OS, early on, and that's why. We are likely seeing the end of Apple compatibility issues that can be tied to the OS. This will not stop certain Windows users from complaining though.

VST 3 very soon.

Native not anytime soon.

I hate saying this, but you're sinking your ship even further with this logic. Nobody wants to use modern super fast chips that can keep up with the furnaces on the PC side, but get throttled by Rosetta. Cubase users don't want to run their DAW in Rosetta for your delay.

When I'm buying plug ins I want a long term investment in the OS I use, Rosetta is not a long term investment. I own All All, I'm not buying non native plug ins from someone flatly telling me they aren't at all interested in coding for the chips in my computer. Like I mentioned above, this is probably the last major rewrite, so I want a level of commitment out of the developer. Last in line breeds no confidence.

yeah. might as well only make windows versions of any new ohmForce plug ins. i don't think it's some out of line big ask for apple silicon native versions. it is what it is. if a developer is going to support mac then they have to make apple silicon versions. it's not whining or however windows users want to characterize it. i don't think a developer should advertise as supporting MacOS if they're not going to make apple silicon versions.

everyone understands. apple is a pain in the ass. the situation sucks for a lot developers. but if there's not going to be apple silicon versions those plug ins should be considered 'legacy' end of life going forward. it's a bummer but what's the alternative if a dev isn't going to make apple silicon native software? and ya can't expect mac users to abandon apple and get a lenovo thinkpad or something.. that's not gonna happen. i have a windows machine for work and i hate. that last good windows OS in my opinion was Win2kPro. it was solid. never crashed and was stripped down and light af.

edit: also worth mentioning that i own all the ohmforce plug ins and have for a long long time and imo they're still holding up. they sound great and are unique. i would pay for apple silicon updates of those but probably isn't a possibility to bring them into modern world w/o major work due to older code libraries or whatever. also, i will keep tabs on what happens w/ohmforce and hope they make apple silicon versions of whatever new things they do because i'm sure they'll be great devices that i'll want to use.. but only if apple silicon.

[Red_Force]

I am what you get, shortcomings and all. And indeed I am more into human relations when speaking here ATM

That being said, this is exactly the kind of feedback I am trying to get here so thank you. Points taken. When ppl are back from holidays the silicon support will definitely be in discussion. As you point out trust has to be earned.

[Red_Force]

I hate saying this, but you're sinking your ship even further with this logic. Nobody wants to use modern super fast chips that can keep up with the furnaces on the PC side, but get throttled by Rosetta. Cubase users don't want to run their DAW in Rosetta for your delay.

When I'm buying plug ins I want a long term investment in the OS I use, Rosetta is not a long term investment. I own All All, I'm not buying non native plug ins from someone flatly telling me they aren't at all interested in coding for the chips in my computer. Like I mentioned above, this is probably the last major rewrite, so I want a level of commitment out of the developer. Last in line breeds no confidence.

Don't hate saying this. My take was knowingly out of touch. At a point I need to get back in and bite the bullet of looking like an idiot for a minute. Your point is well explained.

There is no bringing back the old guard to Silicon bc they're outdated on other level - GUI too small, clunky preset loading, simply lagging vs industry standards on some features. Nothing awful but if you want to sell stuff you need to factor that in.

The real issue is rather to have the new guard - Ohmboyz Infinity, and what's cooking next - fit for the market. We took the decision four years ago to ignore silicon port bc it was simply too much back then. Time to revisit that decision.

[machinesworking]

I hate saying this, but you're sinking your ship even further with this logic. Nobody wants to use modern super fast chips that can keep up with the furnaces on the PC side, but get throttled by Rosetta. Cubase users don't want to run their DAW in Rosetta for your delay.

When I'm buying plug ins I want a long term investment in the OS I use, Rosetta is not a long term investment. I own All All, I'm not buying non native plug ins from someone flatly telling me they aren't at all interested in coding for the chips in my computer. Like I mentioned above, this is probably the last major rewrite, so I want a level of commitment out of the developer. Last in line breeds no confidence.

Don't hate saying this. My take was knowingly out of touch. At a point I need to get back in and bite the bullet of looking like an idiot for a minute. Your point is well explained.

There is no bringing back the old guard to Silicon bc they're outdated on other level - GUI too small, clunky preset loading, simply lagging vs industry standards on some features. Nothing awful but if you want to sell stuff you need to factor that in.

The real issue is rather to have the new guard - Ohmboyz Infinity, and what's cooking next - fit for the market. We took the decision four years ago to ignore silicon port bc it was simply too much back then. Time to revisit that decision.

Thanks for being understanding! I don’t think I’m alone in wanting you guys to update the awesomeness that is Ohmicide with a more modern GUI. I especially appreciated the feedback, that is fun stuff!

[DJMaytag]

Native not anytime soon.

Get working on it and I’ll pay for OhmBoyz Infinity again. I’ve been using OhmBoyz since it was on BeOS and it’s such a crucial delay plugin to me. Hell, I’ll PayPal some $$$ direct to you in order to help fund getting native Apple Silicon support done!

[Echoes in the Attic]

I hate saying this, but you're sinking your ship even further with this logic. Nobody wants to use modern super fast chips that can keep up with the furnaces on the PC side, but get throttled by Rosetta. Cubase users don't want to run their DAW in Rosetta for your delay.

When I'm buying plug ins I want a long term investment in the OS I use, Rosetta is not a long term investment. I own All All, I'm not buying non native plug ins from someone flatly telling me they aren't at all interested in coding for the chips in my computer. Like I mentioned above, this is probably the last major rewrite, so I want a level of commitment out of the developer. Last in line breeds no confidence.

Don't hate saying this. My take was knowingly out of touch. At a point I need to get back in and bite the bullet of looking like an idiot for a minute. Your point is well explained.

There is no bringing back the old guard to Silicon bc they're outdated on other level - GUI too small, clunky preset loading, simply lagging vs industry standards on some features. Nothing awful but if you want to sell stuff you need to factor that in.

The real issue is rather to have the new guard - Ohmboyz Infinity, and what's cooking next - fit for the market. We took the decision four years ago to ignore silicon port bc it was simply too much back then. Time to revisit that decision.

I hope what's cooking next is Ohmicide Update. I'm sure the delay is cool, but there are so many delays out there, and Ohmicide was really something special I have not found in any other distortion plugin, soundwise.

[DJMaytag]

but there are so many delays out there

I’ve been searching for an OhmBoyz replacement for YEARS, as it seemed like the writing was on the wall that it was going EOL at some point. NOTHING sounds like OhmBoyz and/or OhmBoyz Infinity.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Time to revisit that decision.

In case it wasn't clear, I had no expectation that you'd make the older plugins Silicon-ready.

Glad to see you've reconsidered your position, though

[Red_Force]

To be clear, I mean about the new line up. But to a point potatoes potatoes. It's about bringing that sound to the next decade.

[vurt]

To be clear, I mean about the new line up. But to a point potatoes potatoes. It's about bringing that sound to the next decade.

mmm cheese and potato...

[Seelachsfilet]

when was the last update? i really want to buy it, but the reviews were horrible. it felt like 3 of 5 users couldnt run it due to crashes and bugs....

[simmo75]

when was the last update? i really want to buy it, but the reviews were horrible. it felt like 3 of 5 users couldnt run it due to crashes and bugs....

I wouldn’t buy it if you use a mac.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

To be clear, I mean about the new line up. But to a point potatoes potatoes. It's about bringing that sound to the next decade.

Yeah, you're right. In trying to add clarity, i just confuesed things even more

I think we're on the same page though i.e. the older plugins are still end-of-life, but you're seemingly going to push for Silicon Native for the lates and upcoming iterations

[perpetual3]

Can’t argue with this. Facts and logic.

True, it’s hard to reprogram cult members, but illuminating the issue may help future generations of making the same mistake, so this is my business. If I can help one person avoid the pain of finding out their plugins no longer work due to an OS update, I’ve completed my mission.

It's a sight to behold, someone who holds the truth!

I speak from experience. The first time it happened to me, when they went to Intel processors, I thought, “never again, Apple.” When it was time to upgrade the machine I had (a G5) I bought a PC and that was that. I’m not saying Microsoft is perfect, but that issue has never happened to me again, and frankly I can’t really think of anything I lost from making the move, except maybe a slicker looking UI. It’s not like I don’t have Macs. My house is full of them. Phones, tablets, laptops, Apple TV, etc. I like them all a lot, but when it’s time to actually accomplish something, the PC gets turned on. I’d give people an excuse if this was the second time it happened, but it keeps happening over and over again. It’s like watching a community rebuild the 10th time after a hurricane as they fill the collection basket at their church and pray it doesn’t happen again. It’s a free country, so knock yourself out, but don’t expect me to feel sorry for you. Save those tidings and use them to move.

Oh, and what makes it my business, is when the constant work to struggle with Apple’s OS changes takes away from a brilliant developer’s ability to operate, that hurts us all. Imagine if all those hours dealing with Apple were spent on making their software better or releasing new plugins? Apple is holding us back.