UVI Falcon - v4 = 2026 released - rumors, ads, praise, kindergarden, auto-sampling and off-topic inside!

[osiris]

From what I can gather, the negative sentiment for iLok is a relic from a previous generation. I have not been in the game long enough to put that sentiment into context. I've yet to find a strong case against being a current generation iLok consumer.

Not true. I bought Nexus back when you had to install it with multiple discs. It came with an iLok dongle which sat very quietly in the USB port and I never had an issue with it. Sold Nexus and the dongle went with it, but bought some Air stuff. That was iLok, but machine authorized. Again, no issues. My issue is since I don't have a dongle anymore, if I want to use the a Cloud auth UAD stuff, it takes time. I have to get online. Log into iLok, wait for it to tell the UAD Licenser (because there's a whole separate app for that), everything okay. Then wait for the blurry UI's to go away. That nothing for flow or inspiration and it just feels like a PITA.

[MrJubbly]

Even though Sonible claim their plugins no longer require iLok, when you check deeper through their FAQs, you find that they reveal many Windows PC users will still need to install iLok licence manager to prevent serious "slow loading" issues.

I have hundred of plugin on ilok.
UVI, SSL, Eventide, PSP, Pulsar Audio, LiquidSonic, Softube, Relab are fast to open.
Ony UAD is slow. Probably due to their plug in manager and not ilok.

So stop with saying bullshit.

You are allowed speak from your own first-hand experience and I will do likewise from mine.

Your positive experiences with [any given thing], does not negate anybody else's negative experiences.

PS. Please do not swear to other members on this forum or accuse them of lying just because they disagree with you. Extremely immature behaviour.

Not only that, but if you're accusing me of "lying", then you're also accusing Sonible's tech support of doing the same. Since it was confirmed by Sonible as a "known issue" and is even published within their official FAQs on their own website. So, do your research before you falsely accuse others of lying, through your own ignorance upon matters at hand.

[Gam456]

Even though Sonible claim their plugins no longer require iLok, when you check deeper through their FAQs, you find that they reveal many Windows PC users will still need to install iLok licence manager to prevent serious "slow loading" issues.

I have hundred of plugin on ilok.
UVI, SSL, Eventide, PSP, Pulsar Audio, LiquidSonic, Softube, Relab are fast to open.
Ony UAD is slow. Probably due to their plug in manager and not ilok.

So stop with saying bullshit.

You are allowed speak from your own first-hand experience and I will do likewise from mine.

Your positive experiences with [any given thing], does not negate anybody else's negative experiences.

PS. Please do not swear to other members on this forum or accuse them of lying just because they disagree with you. Extremely immature behaviour.

Not only that, but if you're accusing me of "lying", then you're also accusing Sonible's tech support of doing the same. Since it was confirmed by Sonible as a "known issue" and is even published within their official FAQs on their own website. So, do your research before you falsely accuse others of lying, through your own ignorance upon matters at hand.

Grow up ! You are in the uvi falcon topic, not Ilok, not Sonible !

[IvyBirds]

In my long years on KvR I've finally come to a realisation.

Some people like ilok for good reasons.
Some people don't like ilok for good reasons.

Despite years of patient and eloquent discourse, neither side has managed to convince the other. I'd like us all to take a moment to thank those who have selflessly devoted themselves to this great effort, spending time, research and wearing out their keyboards.

I hope that one day someone will provide an argument that will settle it forever. We can only hope that day will come soon.

That would be awesome, but there is way to much butt hurt from the anti ilok crowd for that to ever happen

USB dongles made sense to a lot of people back in the day when fast always on Internet was rare, you would load software from CD or DVD roms and install your license on a USB device. You could then install that same software on as many computers as you wanted and then just move the USB dongle from computer to computer. It was sneaker net as opposed to dial up internet

While most users either liked that system or didn't really care, others seemed to have massive problems with it, or knew someone who did, or read on a forum that someone did, or read on a forum that someone else read on a forum that someone's uncle's, brothers, sisters, landscaper, had a pool boy that was a DJ and had a friend that read on a forum that someone at a Guitar Center said someone had an issue with ilok and it's become this whole tribal thing where any time anyone says anything about ilok you have to prove how cool you are by proudly shouting from the rooftops that you are pure and holy and would never ever ever support anything with ilok

ilok as it exists today is not that as there is no dongle needed but there is still the massive butt hurt

Butt hurt never goes away

[machinesworking]

ilok as it exists today is not that as there is no dongle needed but there is still the massive butt hurt

Not arguing against the butt hurt, but there are still iLok dongle only plugins out there, it's a choice a developer can make, Audio Ease are ilok dongle only. MIDI Quest are iLok Cloud even.. Most developers have stepped away from the dongle only option which is great.

Having a dongle is still a great idea though, when you move machines put all of your licenses on the dongle, then you can just transfer over the software and reauthorize all of it at once, saves hours and hours.

[releasefromwithin]

Anyway..... still loving Falcon!

[MrJubbly]

Even though Sonible claim their plugins no longer require iLok, when you check deeper through their FAQs, you find that they reveal many Windows PC users will still need to install iLok licence manager to prevent serious "slow loading" issues.

I have hundred of plugin on ilok.
UVI, SSL, Eventide, PSP, Pulsar Audio, LiquidSonic, Softube, Relab are fast to open.
Ony UAD is slow. Probably due to their plug in manager and not ilok.

So stop with saying bullshit.

You are allowed speak from your own first-hand experience and I will do likewise from mine.

Your positive experiences with [any given thing], does not negate anybody else's negative experiences.

PS. Please do not swear to other members on this forum or accuse them of lying just because they disagree with you. Extremely immature behaviour.

Not only that, but if you're accusing me of "lying", then you're also accusing Sonible's tech support of doing the same. Since it was confirmed by Sonible as a "known issue" and is even published within their official FAQs on their own website. So, do your research before you falsely accuse others of lying, through your own ignorance upon matters at hand.

Grow up ! You are in the uvi falcon topic, not Ilok, not Sonible !

What is it about certain KVR members, that such simple concepts seem to completely allude them?

The point of my post was obvious. Many UVI plugins which are being included via their Image-Line's cloud subscription services, are being released via so-called non-iLok methods of DRM.

I expressed caution over this, after experiencing issues first-hand, with another developer Sonible, who claim on their main product spec webpages to no longer require iLok for their plugins.

After experiencing long loading times, I contacted their tech support, who confirmed there is a known issue that negatively affects their plugins performance on many new Windows devices. Their only known workaround is to ... install iLok Software Manager ... for their non-iLok products. Due to the former plugins reliance on the PACE/iLok system, it presented problems for the developer when attempting to deliver the same plugins without reliance on that software ... all this is hidden away deep within their FAQs and customer support, when users email them.

Of course, you were completely obliviously ignorant of even that basic fact (falsely claiming it as BS), until I informed you otherwise in my response, so I don't expect you to comprehend how that might present similar issues to UVI's hitherto iLok-reliant software, when being leveraged by Image-Line to their customers without iLok.

But because the more soft-minded among you never get such simple concepts, these basic issues become a convoluted mess.

Here, I'll simplify it for you. Falcon is available now for Image-Line customers. Other UVI products also available via their Cloud subscription service are available, supposedly without any requirement for iLok (albeit some still apparently do). This will likely increase as more UVI products are added to Image-Line's FL Cloud subscription.

As Image-Line are in the process of making these UVI products available as non-iLok plugins, users should still be careful as other developers have previously and currently claimed to have likewise liberated their products from reliance upon iLok. However, some have either relapsed and gone back to iLok only methods, or like with Sonible, still ostensibly claim to offer non-iLok products, while being fully aware that for many newer Windows devices, this is not the case without performance issues and Sonible's only known workarounds to prevent severe loading time issue is to advise those users to install iLok.

i.e. For Image-Line customers, buyer beware of any UVI products such as Falcon, which either claim to be iLok free, or which Image-Line users may believe will soon become non-reliant upon that method of DRM. As it may be that they never will be fully liberated from iLok. If that is a concern to certain users, don't buy them until it has been fully proven to no longer require it without any negative issues.

Simple.

[Fleer]

First-hand experience.
Love UVI on iLok.

[kmonkey]

First-hand experience. No love UVI on ilok. + my subscription runs out. I seek a cheap license.

Someone mentioned that ImageLine is working on a non-iLok Falcon. Is that a rumor, an empty wish or is there any truth to that?

[StartMenu]

First-hand experience. No love UVI on ilok. + my subscription runs out. I seek a cheap license.

Someone mentioned that ImageLine is working on a non-iLok Falcon. Is that a rumor, an empty wish or is there any truth to that?

I can't see that dropping iLok would be a good idea. I wish Imageline didn't buy UVI. It's a strange acquisition. I hate challenge response and online only registrations because both rely on online.

[StartMenu]

Even though Sonible claim their plugins no longer require iLok, when you check deeper through their FAQs, you find that they reveal many Windows PC users will still need to install iLok licence manager to prevent serious "slow loading" issues.

I have hundred of plugin on ilok.
UVI, SSL, Eventide, PSP, Pulsar Audio, LiquidSonic, Softube, Relab are fast to open.
Ony UAD is slow. Probably due to their plug in manager and not ilok.

So stop with saying bullshit.

You are allowed speak from your own first-hand experience and I will do likewise from mine.

Your positive experiences with [any given thing], does not negate anybody else's negative experiences.

PS. Please do not swear to other members on this forum or accuse them of lying just because they disagree with you. Extremely immature behaviour.

Not only that, but if you're accusing me of "lying", then you're also accusing Sonible's tech support of doing the same. Since it was confirmed by Sonible as a "known issue" and is even published within their official FAQs on their own website. So, do your research before you falsely accuse others of lying, through your own ignorance upon matters at hand.

Grow up ! You are in the uvi falcon topic, not Ilok, not Sonible !

What is it about certain KVR members, that such simple concepts seem to completely allude them?

The point of my post was obvious. Many UVI plugins which are being included via their Image-Line's cloud subscription services, are being released via so-called non-iLok methods of DRM.

I expressed caution over this, after experiencing issues first-hand, with another developer Sonible, who claim on their main product spec webpages to no longer require iLok for their plugins.

After experiencing long loading times, I contacted their tech support, who confirmed there is a known issue that negatively affects their plugins performance on many new Windows devices. Their only known workaround is to ... install iLok Software Manager ... for their non-iLok products. Due to the former plugins reliance on the PACE/iLok system, it presented problems for the developer when attempting to deliver the same plugins without reliance on that software ... all this is hidden away deep within their FAQs and customer support, when users email them.

Of course, you were completely obliviously ignorant of even that basic fact (falsely claiming it as BS), until I informed you otherwise in my response, so I don't expect you to comprehend how that might present similar issues to UVI's hitherto iLok-reliant software, when being leveraged by Image-Line to their customers without iLok.

But because the more soft-minded among you never get such simple concepts, these basic issues become a convoluted mess.

Here, I'll simplify it for you. Falcon is available now for Image-Line customers. Other UVI products also available via their Cloud subscription service are available, supposedly without any requirement for iLok (albeit some still apparently do). This will likely increase as more UVI products are added to Image-Line's FL Cloud subscription.

As Image-Line are in the process of making these UVI products available as non-iLok plugins, users should still be careful as other developers have previously and currently claimed to have likewise liberated their products from reliance upon iLok. However, some have either relapsed and gone back to iLok only methods, or like with Sonible, still ostensibly claim to offer non-iLok products, while being fully aware that for many newer Windows devices, this is not the case without performance issues and Sonible's only known workarounds to prevent severe loading time issue is to advise those users to install iLok.

i.e. For Image-Line customers, buyer beware of any UVI products such as Falcon, which either claim to be iLok free, or which Image-Line users may believe will soon become non-reliant upon that method of DRM. As it may be that they never will be fully liberated from iLok. If that is a concern to certain users, don't buy them until it has been fully proven to no longer require it without any negative issues.

Simple.

I hope Imageline does serial only registration for UVI's stuff instead of absurd online only registration.

[kmonkey]

I can't see that dropping iLok would be a good idea. I wish Imageline didn't buy UVI. It's a strange acquisition. I hate challenge response and online only registrations because both rely on online.

It is fine, you hate what you want to hate, I hate what I want to hate. We are different so it is normal.

I didn't ask can you see it happening? I saw someone mentioned it here.

What I am asking, I don't know how to picture it more simply than what I asked initially - is that (dropping ilok) silly wishful thinking? Or is it based on something from say ImageLine forum that some dev said or something tangible so to speak?

[Gam456]

Even though Sonible claim their plugins no longer require iLok, when you check deeper through their FAQs, you find that they reveal many Windows PC users will still need to install iLok licence manager to prevent serious "slow loading" issues.

I have hundred of plugin on ilok.
UVI, SSL, Eventide, PSP, Pulsar Audio, LiquidSonic, Softube, Relab are fast to open.
Ony UAD is slow. Probably due to their plug in manager and not ilok.

So stop with saying bullshit.

You are allowed speak from your own first-hand experience and I will do likewise from mine.

Your positive experiences with [any given thing], does not negate anybody else's negative experiences.

PS. Please do not swear to other members on this forum or accuse them of lying just because they disagree with you. Extremely immature behaviour.

Not only that, but if you're accusing me of "lying", then you're also accusing Sonible's tech support of doing the same. Since it was confirmed by Sonible as a "known issue" and is even published within their official FAQs on their own website. So, do your research before you falsely accuse others of lying, through your own ignorance upon matters at hand.

Grow up ! You are in the uvi falcon topic, not Ilok, not Sonible !

What is it about certain KVR members, that such simple concepts seem to completely allude them?

The point of my post was obvious. Many UVI plugins which are being included via their Image-Line's cloud subscription services, are being released via so-called non-iLok methods of DRM.

I expressed caution over this, after experiencing issues first-hand, with another developer Sonible, who claim on their main product spec webpages to no longer require iLok for their plugins.

After experiencing long loading times, I contacted their tech support, who confirmed there is a known issue that negatively affects their plugins performance on many new Windows devices. Their only known workaround is to ... install iLok Software Manager ... for their non-iLok products. Due to the former plugins reliance on the PACE/iLok system, it presented problems for the developer when attempting to deliver the same plugins without reliance on that software ... all this is hidden away deep within their FAQs and customer support, when users email them.

Of course, you were completely obliviously ignorant of even that basic fact (falsely claiming it as BS), until I informed you otherwise in my response, so I don't expect you to comprehend how that might present similar issues to UVI's hitherto iLok-reliant software, when being leveraged by Image-Line to their customers without iLok.

But because the more soft-minded among you never get such simple concepts, these basic issues become a convoluted mess.

Here, I'll simplify it for you. Falcon is available now for Image-Line customers. Other UVI products also available via their Cloud subscription service are available, supposedly without any requirement for iLok (albeit some still apparently do). This will likely increase as more UVI products are added to Image-Line's FL Cloud subscription.

As Image-Line are in the process of making these UVI products available as non-iLok plugins, users should still be careful as other developers have previously and currently claimed to have likewise liberated their products from reliance upon iLok. However, some have either relapsed and gone back to iLok only methods, or like with Sonible, still ostensibly claim to offer non-iLok products, while being fully aware that for many newer Windows devices, this is not the case without performance issues and Sonible's only known workarounds to prevent severe loading time issue is to advise those users to install iLok.

i.e. For Image-Line customers, buyer beware of any UVI products such as Falcon, which either claim to be iLok free, or which Image-Line users may believe will soon become non-reliant upon that method of DRM. As it may be that they never will be fully liberated from iLok. If that is a concern to certain users, don't buy them until it has been fully proven to no longer require it without any negative issues.

Simple.

When someone state
Take the red pill !!!!!!
It's only one, not the bottle !

[otristan]

After experiencing long loading times, I contacted their tech support, who confirmed there is a known issue that negatively affects their plugins performance on many new Windows devices. Their only known workaround is to ... install iLok Software Manager ... for their non-iLok products. Due to the former plugins reliance on the PACE/iLok system, it presented problems for the developer when attempting to deliver the same plugins without reliance on that software ... all this is hidden away deep within their FAQs and customer support, when users email them.

I wonder who told you that. IL or UVI techsupport ?
Because I don't know why there would be such slow down.
The only thing that could happen is that the software try to load the PACE DLL which cannot be found (obviously as it's not installed at all in FLCloud) then try the FL Cloud auth as backup.
Trying to load a DLL is clearly not something that would delay the loading.
I know for sure, I coded the thing.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Hey Tristan, you as the (assumed) main developer of Falcon, are you considering Falcon as "finished" product? Is there still a roadmap or plans for improvements? I find your software very convincing, yet I still miss stuff like cross-osc modulation, or routing of send channels... Since the aquisition by Imageline, the communication almost seems to be radio silence, which is a pity...