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Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:51 pm

Peevy2000 wrote:Its due out in June. Mid switchable & progamable so you could have (if you want) the clean channel set at 36watt & the lead at 18watt.

Killer! Is the power soak switchable? Overall, this seems like a dramatic improvement over the Tubemeister 18.

Here's the best demo video of it so far:

How does he keep the strat so well in tune when dumping like that???

I really like what I'm hearing in the video, everything from crystal clean, classic crunch to high gain metal. I also like how compact they've kept things even with having 3 channels. Only down side is both crunch & lead share the same EQ.

Shared EQ for crunch and lead isn't so bad, although it'd be nice to have independent mid controls. Anyway, yeah, that's a great video, thanks for sharing it!

Peevy2000 · Post by **Peevy2000** » Wed May 02, 2012 11:17 am

Uncle E wrote:
Peevy2000 wrote:Its due out in June. Mid switchable & progamable so you could have (if you want) the clean channel set at 36watt & the lead at 18watt.
Killer! Is the power soak switchable? Overall, this seems like a dramatic improvement over the Tubemeister 18.

The powersoak is switchable per channel via midi, eg. 5watt for lead, 18watt for crunch. Not sure if its switchable on its own via midi, probably is.

Here's the best demo video of it so far:

How does he keep the strat so well in tune when dumping like that???

I really like what I'm hearing in the video, everything from crystal clean, classic crunch to high gain metal. I also like how compact they've kept things even with having 3 channels. Only down side is both crunch & lead share the same EQ.

Shared EQ for crunch and lead isn't so bad, although it'd be nice to have independent mid controls. Anyway, yeah, that's a great video, thanks for sharing it![/quote]

No problem, just happy to spread the word. Here's another video that goes into quite a bit of detail:

The Tubemeister doesn't sound as impressive in this video, especially the lead channel. I think its something to do with the guitar he's using & that he's recording through a Palmer PDI-03 instead of a miced cab.

Peevy2000 · Post by **Peevy2000** » Wed May 02, 2012 11:45 am

One more Amp to throw into the mix here is The Beast 30 Plus from Laboga:

This is the new Big bro to the the Beast 15watt. It has a few extra features over the 15w version, one of the main ones being an FX loop. These are pretty high gain Amps but only come with 2 preamp tubes, I wonder if there's some solid state trickery going on??

At the minute though, I'm still torn between the Orange TH30 & the Tubemeister 36. ETA for the TM36 is (according to Thomann) the 2nd of July. Don't know if I can wait that long for a new Amp

I'd appreciate it if one of you could help me with a wee query here. Would it be possible to connect the send of a TH30 serial FX loop to my Komplete Audio 6 interface & record its preamp while the Amp's in standby? I wouldn't be risking doing this while not connected to a cab. I could use cab impulses in my DAW & it'd save me a bit of money, not having to get something like a Koch loadbox. Don't worry the Amp wouldn't be used this way exclusivley, it'd be a total waste to buy an amp like this for only recording the preamp

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Wed May 02, 2012 12:58 pm

Geeesh...I'm guessing that there might be a way of doing that but I think you would need some sort of attenuator to soak up the output somehow....IIRC there is/was(?) a youtube video of someone doing something similar...

Peevy2000 · Post by **Peevy2000** » Wed May 02, 2012 1:04 pm

trimph1 wrote:Geeesh...I'm guessing that there might be a way of doing that but I think you would need some sort of attenuator to soak up the output somehow....IIRC there is/was(?) a youtube video of someone doing something similar...

The amp would still be connected to a cab, would that not suffice?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed May 02, 2012 3:27 pm

Peevy2000 wrote:
trimph1 wrote:Geeesh...I'm guessing that there might be a way of doing that but I think you would need some sort of attenuator to soak up the output somehow....IIRC there is/was(?) a youtube video of someone doing something similar...
The amp would still be connected to a cab, would that not suffice?

yes it would, you could also go with a dummy load/attenuator as mentioned...personally because of how it reacts and the price I would go with a weber mini-mass (well would is the wrong word as I have one) I'm not a fan of the line out on it but using you fx send will work. Be aware though that it will never sound like the amp 100% and you WILL need to use a cab sim in your computer or IRs

edit, I dont think the amp will work if it's on stand by that way though, tbh I have never tried but I will later with my amps and report back.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed May 02, 2012 3:38 pm

btw I just got another amp yesterday...this amp is more powerful than the 4 amps I added in the last 18 months combined (wattage rating wise) at 120 watts. But it's not a guitar amp, I have been using an old Peavey CS400 for my monitors which obviously sucks, so I picked up a power amp for the monitors. More power than my guitar amps, but louder? I dont think I have to answer that

I like it though (that might just be because anything would sound better than that 400, I'm giving that to a friend) At least the new amp wont give me a hernia, it's just a Samson 120...no big deal but the price was right at the pawn shop (picked up a cry baby too)

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Wed May 02, 2012 3:45 pm

Peevy2000 wrote:The Tubemeister doesn't sound as impressive in this video, especially the lead channel. I think its something to do with the guitar he's using & that he's recording through a Palmer PDI-03 instead of a miced cab.

It's strange that he's not using the built-in red box. Anyway, I imagine running through cab IR's will make the distorted tones sound much better. The cleans actually sound really great as is!

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Wed May 02, 2012 3:49 pm

Peevy2000 wrote:At the minute though, I'm still torn between the Orange TH30 & the Tubemeister 36. ETA for the TM36 is (according to Thomann) the 2nd of July. Don't know if I can wait that long for a new Amp

How much will it cost? Patience builds character.

I'd appreciate it if one of you could help me with a wee query here. Would it be possible to connect the send of a TH30 serial FX loop to my Komplete Audio 6 interface & record its preamp while the Amp's in standby?

My experience with other amps tells me no and yet it's possible the TH30 might not be like other amps.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Wed May 02, 2012 3:53 pm

Hink wrote:yes it would, you could also go with a dummy load/attenuator as mentioned...personally because of how it reacts and the price I would go with a weber mini-mass (well would is the wrong word as I have one) I'm not a fan of the line out on it but using you fx send will work.

You won't get the tone of your power section that way, though. Have you tried that Behringer DI100 after your speaker output and before your attenuator?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed May 02, 2012 4:05 pm

Uncle E wrote:
Hink wrote:yes it would, you could also go with a dummy load/attenuator as mentioned...personally because of how it reacts and the price I would go with a weber mini-mass (well would is the wrong word as I have one) I'm not a fan of the line out on it but using you fx send will work.
You won't get the tone of your power section that way, though. Have you tried that Behringer DI100 after your speaker output and before your attenuator?

nah, I appreciate the suggestion though but when I bought the weber I bought it because I could not mic up a cab and thought the line out would work for me but it didn't (I only had the boogie then). I have plenty of line out options now if I want them but of course miking a speaker is not an issue, the Behringer DI100 is cheap enough though.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Wed May 02, 2012 4:13 pm

I was truly shocked when I tried the DI100 in that configuration, it sounds as good as the Avalon U5 that way.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed May 02, 2012 4:22 pm

Uncle E wrote:I was truly shocked when I tried the DI100 in that configuration, it sounds as good as the Avalon U5 that way.

I'll keep that in mind and trust me if I get one you will be the first to know.

Peevy2000 · Post by **Peevy2000** » Wed May 02, 2012 4:24 pm

Hink wrote: yes it would, you could also go with a dummy load/attenuator as mentioned...personally because of how it reacts and the price I would go with a weber mini-mass (well would is the wrong word as I have one) I'm not a fan of the line out on it but using you fx send will work. Be aware though that it will never sound like the amp 100% and you WILL need to use a cab sim in your computer or IRs

edit, I dont think the amp will work if it's on stand by that way though, tbh I have never tried but I will later with my amps and report back.

If I had to go with an attenuator/dummy load, I was thinking of the Koch Dummyload Studio http://www.thomann.de/gb/koch_amps_dumm ... dio_pa.htm lots of output options there at a lowish price. Yeah that'd be great if you could check the FX send option in standby.

Uncle E wrote:
Peevy2000 wrote:The Tubemeister doesn't sound as impressive in this video, especially the lead channel. I think its something to do with the guitar he's using & that he's recording through a Palmer PDI-03 instead of a miced cab.
It's strange that he's not using the built-in red box. Anyway, I imagine running through cab IR's will make the distorted tones sound much better. The cleans actually sound really great as is!

Yeah you'd think the redbox would've maybe sounded better. As for the price, according to Thomann its working out around £645

Uncle E wrote: You won't get the tone of your power section that way, though. Have you tried that Behringer DI100 after your speaker output and before your attenuator?

But you can use cab impulses in your DAW. Probably won't sound as good as micing up the cab though.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Wed May 02, 2012 4:38 pm

Peevy2000 wrote:Yeah you'd think the redbox would've maybe sounded better. As for the price, according to Thomann its working out around £645

Actually, my guess is the Palmer probably sounds better. However, given that it's a demo of the H&K, I'd rather hear the red box. Personally, I'd probably just take a clean output into cab IR's, anyway.

But you can use cab impulses in your DAW. Probably won't sound as good as micing up the cab though.

Sure, that'll sound the best. However, an attenuated signal out of your speaker output and into cab IR's will be #2. I only mention the DI100 because Hink hasn't had proper results with his Mini-MASS's line output.

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