Diva Vs. Real Analog

[pdxindy]

I lost a chunk of money when I sold my Oberheim.

Sorry to hear that. Let me guess, you bought it at their peak and sold it after the housing crisis when synth prices dropped?

And he said softsynths are a ripoff... that is quite different than saying a particular softsynth is not worth the price for him.

Yeah yeah yeah, so what, you want to get a rope or something? People exaggerate to try to make a point, relax. I think that some softsynths are ripoffs too, and I bet you do as well, so the only difference between us is that he's pickier than we are.

You want to buy my AAS ultra analog? I'll sell it too you for half the retail price of $199, $99.50. How does that sound to you? I bet money you think that it's a ripoff, yet, it's HALF the retail price, how could that POSSIBLY be a ripoff? That's a great deal, amiright?

I'm relaxed... We are just having a conversation. And no, I don't think soft-synths are a ripoff. For the most part I think they are quite cheap and I feel lucky to be able to buy a synth like Diva for what many people spend on dinner and drinks for the weekend.

If you want to agree with that poster that developers in general are ripping people off, that is up to you. Me, I'm glad to have Diva and my other soft synths and I am happy to support the developers.

[ghettosynth]

Oh, and about prices and cost, what planet are you living on? Most softsynths are priced at the same prices as the various Lego sets I get for my kid.

Microsoft Visual C++ cost me NOTHING and it's far larger, more complex, and took many many more man hours than any soft synth that you can name!

Cost you nothing? Great price, what store was that from?

Are you trying to imply something here? Seriously, what is the wink about?

[Aroused by JarJar]

Oh, and about prices and cost, what planet are you living on? Most softsynths are priced at the same prices as the various Lego sets I get for my kid.

Microsoft Visual C++ cost me NOTHING and it's far larger, more complex, and took many many more man hours than any soft synth that you can name!

Cost you nothing? Great price, what store was that from?

Are you trying to imply something here? Seriously, what is the wink about?

I sense a deficit of randy Gungans in your neck of the ghetto, homeslice.

Seriously though, the posts of yours I've seen are very sensible and full of good points, but you've been defending what is obviously almost certainly simply mouthing off by an ignorant child.

[Urs]

Unfortunately Diva doesn't compile with the VisualC Express version or whatsitcalled... and I stopped counting the times I had to re-purchase those Intel tools

[ghettosynth]

Unfortunately Diva doesn't compile with the VisualC Express version or whatsitcalled... and I stopped counting the times I had to re-purchase those Intel tools

I wasn't talking about the express version, but, even if the express edition doesn't work for you, it's still a sophisticated product that took many man years to develop and microsoft provides it for free to anyone.

Of course I'm not suggesting that plugin developers should do the same, I am stating, however, that there is no basis for any particular price as being a good or bad value, it's completely dependent on whether the user can justify the price based on the features.

I'm pretty sure that not a soul here will take me up on AAS ultra analog for half-retail because they have all adjusted their perception of its value based on the no-brainer deal. So it's not even simply features, but perception of market value that causes people to adjust their perception of what is or isn't a good deal.

So it's not unreasonable for someone to think that any particular synth isn't a good deal based on their own perceptions. And, of course, the word "ripoff" is just a superlative colloquialism that means "particularly poor value."

[whyterabbyt]

I wasn't talking about the express version

How does one get the full version for free then?

, but, even if the express edition doesn't work for you, it's still a sophisticated product that took many man years to develop and microsoft provides it for free to anyone.

Well, yeah. Leveraging the fact that its basically a demo version of the full commercial product, though.

And, of course, the word "ripoff" is just a superlative colloquialism that means "particularly poor value."

I wouldn't say so (wrt your use of 'just'). There's also the context of exploitation, above and beyond 'poor value', and even theft.

[pdxindy]

So it's not unreasonable for someone to think that any particular synth isn't a good deal based on their own perceptions. And, of course, the word "ripoff" is just a superlative colloquialism that means "particularly poor value."

I don't disagree with your point, but that is not the point that the person you defend made...

"Really the soft synth era is a ripoff of the highest order"

That statement is a crock of shit and you know it.

[Aroused by JarJar]

So it's not unreasonable for someone to think that any particular synth isn't a good deal based on their own perceptions. And, of course, the word "ripoff" is just a superlative colloquialism that means "particularly poor value."

I don't disagree with your point, but that is not the point that the person you defend made...

"Really the soft synth era is a ripoff of the highest order"

That statement is a crock of shit and you know it.

Ripoff in this context can only reasonably mean:

"3. To exploit, swindle, cheat, or defraud: a false advertising campaign that ripped off consumers."

from here: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rip+off

Now, there is plenty of ad talk about "warm analog etc. etc." for softsynths that don't even have such basic analog features such as envelopes running at audio rate, which in a stricter world would be a requisite for a softsynth to be called a "VA" in the first place, IMO. So from a certain viewpoint and to a certain degree I could even agree with the original poster. But to dismiss the whole "soft synth era" thusly is silly.

[ghettosynth]

I wasn't talking about the express version

How does one get the full version for free then?

[ghettosynth]

duplicate

[Aroused by JarJar]

Watch, I'll go advertise my AAS in the marketplace for $99 and see how much howling it causes.

Not arguing with you anymore, I think we've made our points, just curious- what's the story behind this? Is this synth unloved or something?

[Examigan]

Oh, and about prices and cost, what planet are you living on? Most softsynths are priced at the same prices as the various Lego sets I get for my kid.

Microsoft Visual C++ cost me NOTHING and it's far larger, more complex, and took many many more man hours than any soft synth that you can name!

Cost you nothing? Great price, what store was that from?

Are you trying to imply something here? Seriously, what is the wink about?

I am not implying anything, if it's not the express version, here is one way to get it:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/ ... dition=new

[jupiter8]

I got MSVC for free when i was at the UNI for what's it's worth.

[ghettosynth]

Watch, I'll go advertise my AAS in the marketplace for $99 and see how much howling it causes.

Not arguing with you anymore, I think we've made our points, just curious- what's the story behind this? Is this synth unloved or something?

It was/is a well respected synth that, for whatever reason, was sold on an audio-midi no-brainer for $15 a few years back. Since then, it's really difficult to sell a used copy of it for more than about $30 or so because most people remember that it sold for $15 and that's the value that they place on it in their minds.

The product still retails for $199, however.

Personally, I never use mine. I bought it based on the proclamations here that it was the greatest thing since sliced cheese and that $15 just wasn't much to risk.

Since then I've learned quite a bit about who can do what and I don't bother with no-brainers, they are usually tired programs needing a boost.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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