FXpansion releases Cypher2

[Rastkovic]

Yes, using phase reset (or hard sync) sounds literally the same as using a frequency divider for a sub osc, only with more control.

Sorry, but phase reset is not a substitute for a freerunning oscillator with a subosc.

The hard sync thing i'm testing again. Maybe i do something wrong in the past....

[Angus_FX]

Try this..

[Delta Sign]

Yes, using phase reset (or hard sync) sounds literally the same as using a frequency divider for a sub osc, only with more control.

Sorry, but phase reset is not a substitute for a freerunning oscillator with a subosc.

The hard sync thing i'm testing again. Maybe i do something wrong in the past....

Ahh you want to have the osc freerunning, I overlooked that. Sorry!

I don't have Cypher, but as far as I know the modulation system is pretty flexible. So, maybe you could try modulating the phase of the main osc and the "sub" osc with a random value. If you use the same random value for both oscs, it should basically sound like you want, even though it's not really "freerunning".

Or just use the method Angus suggests, which is way easier and should do the trick too.

[Rastkovic]

Try this..

Thanks you for the file, meanwhile i did also my own testings.

I was a little bit irritated, because when i turned hard sync off, the waveforms are still in sync. You have to use the detune knob for one of the oscillators to unsync first. And yes, it seems hard sync is a good substitute for sub oscillator/audio divider. Thank you for helping.

[himalaya]

Cypher2 can do some lush analogue sounds, however, I often forget how deep it can go into the uncharted territory. Here's one example. The following sound is made with two FM filters. So, oscillator 3 and its pitch is the source for FM in both filters, running in parallel, each filter on the verge of self-oscillation. Filter 1 in BPF mode, Filter 2 in LPF mode.

All the subsequent movement is controlled via pressure and slide (CC74) on the Seaboard RISE 25. Only three notes are played at any given moment. Watch out for the glassy harmonics later in the track:
https://soundcloud.com/electric-himalay ... rmoniculum

But then, I often veer towards pure tones like the one below.
It starts simple enough, but in places, later in the track, it turns into a timbre very reminiscent of a soprano sax. The bright 'sparks' you hear in places are created with the LIFT dimension on the Seaboard (49, in this case). This is very slow, and ambient, but it also shows the PRESS and SLIDE dimensions well. Warning: lots, and lots of reverb!

https://soundcloud.com/electric-himalaya/at-peace

[Cinebient]

Cypher2 can do some lush analogue sounds, however, I often forget how deep it can go into the uncharted territory. Here's one example. The following sound is made with two FM filters. So, oscillator 3 and its pitch is the source for FM in both filters, running in parallel, each filter on the verge of self-oscillation. Filter 1 in BPF mode, Filter 2 in LPF mode.

All the subsequent movement is controlled via pressure and slide (CC74) on the Seaboard RISE 25. Only three notes are played at any given moment. Watch out for the glassy harmonics later in the track:
https://soundcloud.com/electric-himalay ... rmoniculum

But then, I often veer towards pure tones like the one below.
It starts simple enough, but in places, later in the track, it turns into a timbre very reminiscent of a soprano sax. The bright 'sparks' you hear in places are created with the LIFT dimension on the Seaboard (49, in this case). This is very slow, and ambient, but it also shows the PRESS and SLIDE dimensions well. Warning: lots, and lots of reverb!

https://soundcloud.com/electric-himalaya/at-peace

The first example is a pure beauty of sound!!

[ChamomileShark]

Cypher2 can do some lush analogue sounds, however, I often forget how deep it can go into the uncharted territory. Here's one example. The following sound is made with two FM filters. So, oscillator 3 and its pitch is the source for FM in both filters, running in parallel, each filter on the verge of self-oscillation. Filter 1 in BPF mode, Filter 2 in LPF mode.

All the subsequent movement is controlled via pressure and slide (CC74) on the Seaboard RISE 25. Only three notes are played at any given moment. Watch out for the glassy harmonics later in the track:
https://soundcloud.com/electric-himalay ... rmoniculum

But then, I often veer towards pure tones like the one below.
It starts simple enough, but in places, later in the track, it turns into a timbre very reminiscent of a soprano sax. The bright 'sparks' you hear in places are created with the LIFT dimension on the Seaboard (49, in this case). This is very slow, and ambient, but it also shows the PRESS and SLIDE dimensions well. Warning: lots, and lots of reverb!

https://soundcloud.com/electric-himalaya/at-peace

Very nice, especially the second one. Are you ging to release a soundset for Cypher 2 or share these in some way?

[Angus_FX]

Genuinely gobsmacked by that first one, @himalaya.

One of the joys of working on a synth of this kind is the complexity that emerges from simple rules at each layer: the sound designers create things that the synth designer might never have imagined, and in turn musicians create things with those sounds beyond what the sound designer anticipated.

TransMod and the Seaboard are force multipliers at both those levels.

Incidentally, Cypher2-watchers, there's a 2.4.10.3 update out now.

Summary of issues fixed:

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15602 [2.4.10.1] Cypher2 - Crash when modulating seq Step Shift with more than one mod sequencer
15593 [2.4.9.9] Cypher2 - Transmod depths flash when clicking certain buttons (Mac only)
15591 [2.4.9.8] Cypher2 - Preset size increases when saving from Reaper
15596 [2.4.9.9] Cypher2 - Keyboard arrow keys can change preset during Save
15590 [2.4.9.8] Cypher2 - Sequencer UI experiencing refresh issues when adjusting parameters
15594 [2.4.9.9] Cypher2 - LFO Sub unipolar outputs don't work in Mono LFO mode
15592 [2.4.9.9] Cypher2 - Double-clicking Osc icons causes popup to persist
15539 [2.4.8.0] Cypher2 - Changing preset does not always constitute a saveable change in Pro Tools
15589 [2.4.9.6] Cypher2 - Text entry fields in Sequencer page don’t honour magnification
15588 [2.4.9.6] Cypher2 - Stray text box when double clicking Gate/Hold/Latch params in Seq
15583 [2.4.9.5] Cypher2 - .exe installer flagged as unidentified publisher on Windows
15586 [2.4.9.5] Cypher2 - Return must be pressed to enter My ROLI login details (Win only)
15587 [2.4.9.5] Cypher2 - Crash on Windows when triggering notes from Seaboard UI
15580 [2.4.9.4] Cypher2 - Some themes prevent login page information from being clearly visible
15533 [2.4.7.0] Cypher2 - Preset description overlapping scope when switching from Easy to Edit
15579 [2.4.9.3] Cypher2 - Links in Settings menu are ordered incorrectly
15578 [2.4.9.3] Cypher2 - Magnification resolution sizes are cropped at 75% and 80%
15576 [2.4.9.3] Cypher2 & Player - Double-click required to enter preset Search field
15556 [2.4.9.0] Cypher2 - Transmod depth can accidentally be applied when adjusting a param
15531 [2.4.7.0] Cypher2 - Some presets can take a little while to 'settle in'
15574 [2.4.9.1] Cypher2 - Voice/Unison value boxes are missing
15534 [2.4.8.0] Cypher2 - Presets cannot be selected after using Save As button at top of browser.
15541 [2.4.8.0] Cypher2 - 5D spline Slew/Gain parameters do not lock
15559 [2.4.9.0] Cypher2 Player - XY position is not displayed in Player/Easy view
15570 [2.4.9.0] Cypher2 - Key Velocity in Sequencer does not pass velocity information
15552 [2.4.9.0] Cypher2 - Keyzone 2 doesn't show note guides
15505 [2.4.5.6] Cypher2 - Last-highlighted preset in browser remains lit yet isn't selected
15532 [2.4.7.0] Cypher2 - Cannot double-click to manually assign CC values on any buttons
15545 [2.4.8.0] Cypher2 - MPE/Perf transmod slots are blank for Legacy presets
15551 [2.4.9.0] Cypher2 - UI can become cropped when magnifying from Easy view
15529 [2.4.6.6] Cypher2 - Individual preset boundaries in browser are incorrect.
15554 [2.4.9.0] Cypher2 - Gate sequencer type menu does not magnify
15571 [2.4.9.0] Cypher2 - SeqVelocityKey tooltip is cropped
15482 [2.4.4.3] Cypher2 - Parameter names are handled by GUI code rather than core engine code
15561 [2.4.9.0] Cypher2 Player - Mousing over global volume in Easy mode obscures Description field
15399 [2.4.2.6] Cypher2 - Occasional dangerous volume spikes
15548 [2.4.8.9] Cypher2 - Standalone crash when unlocking Perf macro params
15546 [2.4.8.0] Cypher2 - Envelope curve menu can appear blank when loading legacy presets
15555 [2.4.9.0] Cypher2/Strobe2 - AU may appear as missing/invalid in Logic Pro
15557 [2.4.9.0] Cypher2/Strobe2 Player - Remove any option to Save/Save As in Player
15497 [2.4.5.1] Cypher2 - Perf2 and Perf3 tooltips too wide

[Angus_FX]

Oh, and there's a minor Strobe2 update on the way too (probably a couple more weeks) with a lot of the Cypher2 UI/UX goodies.. little TransMod enhancements, nicer tooltips etc.. (but still 16 TransMods, 5 spline curves, the simpler arp/sequencer and no Maths modules.. don't get too excited )

[EvilDragon]

Damn, that first example was spectacular, himalaya!

[himalaya]

Thank you for the nice comments.

Are you ging to release a soundset for Cypher 2 or share these in some way?

All my Cypher2 patches go straight into the factory set (check it out, there is a lot of content from me) or will be included in future official sound sets, these two presets included.

Just a note that I posted these two demos not as an ad for any sound sets, but simply to share what I find amazing about Cypher2. I sincerely get totally surprised by some of the timbres Cypher2 can produce. Some are so startling...Cypher2 and Bazille, these two can be pushed to such extremes.

My only worry is that, especially with 5D presets, people may miss a lot of deep, intricate sounds, only because these presets require a little more focus and time to fully explore and understand. With normal 2D presets people are used to zooming through a list of presets, taking a second or two to decide if the preset is usable to them or not, but this will not work with 5D sounds. These 5D presets need careful assessment. A few minutes of playing time, at least. Often, the intended timbre in a 5D preset comes out when we interact with pressure and slide...so if one skips through a long list of patches one by one, a lot of good stuff will be missed...

By the way, one of the Cypher2 updates brought a whole new set of synth brass presets, for those who love these type of sounds....check it out below. I love that comment in the Soundcloud file:

"Sounds like someones dad is playing"
haha!

I think synth brass patches are for every synth playing dad, aren't they. Although these demos were played by a very young musician! (not me, I'm old )

https://soundcloud.com/fxpansion/cypher ... ss-presets

[zvenx]

............
Just a note that I posted these two demos not as an ad for any sound sets, but simply to share what I find amazing about Cypher2. I sincerely get totally surprised by some of the timbres Cypher2 can produce. Some are so startling..

..............

oh get a room already .

I have 'known' (although we have never met) Himalaya for I think almost 9 years....and I swear every synth conversation during that time, regardless of what synth the convo started on ends up with him romancing Cypher

...........

"Sounds like someones dad is playing"
haha!
.....

lol....

rsp

[Karbon L. Forms]

Which patch is the Extremium Harmoniculum one?

[himalaya]

Which patch is the Extremium Harmoniculum one?

Ah, this is a patch I that made last night. It's not available (yet). But I think I might stick it in one of the themed expansion sound sets (on the horizon)...
Or maybe I'll just keep it for myself

[Karbon L. Forms]

Which patch is the Extremium Harmoniculum one?

Ah, this is a patch I that made last night. It's not available (yet). But I think I might stick it in one of the themed expansion sound sets (on the horizon)...
Or maybe I'll just keep it for myself

Cool man. I'd actually prefer a tutorial. I don't buy sound sets. I'll get there eventually, but I'm screaming for more Cypher2 tuts/vids.