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MachineClaw wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:53 pm keep on your soapbox. good for you. I'm moving on and said my peace.
Easiest way is just to block the mediocres that have nothing better in life to do than perpetually argue (or assert their masculinity 🤣), on audio forum.

Let the grandpas yell at clouds...

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Sampleconstruct wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:53 am
3lu5iv3 wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:02 am Does anyone know the best way to do multiband editing? I wanna create a sound with low, mid, high and process it differently.
You would have to duplicate the layer twice, then insert LP/BP/HP EQs for each of the layers and take it from there (with further FX inserted one layer level). But that's not so practical really...
No, it's possible. Add FX / Effect Rack / Factory Template / 3 Band Template. Very fast and easy to do!

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True, I forgot that.

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Falcon import SFZ in a pretty good way and we have a limited EXS support.
The main issue with EXS is that it's not an open format, so it's limited to reverse engeneering and Apple/eMagic had the good idea to store the sample path in an absolute way, making it difficult to reload user preset.
EXS24 fixes the path the first time they are opened, but we cannot do that as we don't overwrite the EXS file

If you guys have a cool description of the EXS format, I don't mind improving its support in Falcon.
Still for an easier sampler exchange format, SFZ is king.
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midi sentinel wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:55 am
MachineClaw wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:53 pm keep on your soapbox. good for you. I'm moving on and said my peace.
Easiest way is just to block the mediocres that have nothing better in life to do than perpetually argue (or assert their masculinity 🤣), on audio forum.

Let the grandpas yell at clouds...
You mean like you just did? Go and yell at that cloud

Seriously nothing is funnier than the people who go off topic and argue on Forums over what they perceive as people arguing on synth forums

With the possible exception of the people who brag about putting people on ignore like it's a badge of honor while obviously not ignoring anyway

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otristan wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 1:01 pm Falcon import SFZ in a pretty good way and we have a limited EXS support.
The main issue with EXS is that it's not an open format, so it's limited to reverse engeneering and Apple/eMagic had the good idea to store the sample path in an absolute way, making it difficult to reload user preset.
EXS24 fixes the path the first time they are opened, but we cannot do that as we don't overwrite the EXS file

If you guys have a cool description of the EXS format, I don't mind improving its support in Falcon.
Still for an easier sampler exchange format, SFZ is king.
SFZ files are designed for a specific and limited set of features and parameter control, it's extremely limited especially with envelopes, while certainly better than nothing is hardly a king

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IvyBirds wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:43 pm
otristan wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 1:01 pm Falcon import SFZ in a pretty good way and we have a limited EXS support.
The main issue with EXS is that it's not an open format, so it's limited to reverse engeneering and Apple/eMagic had the good idea to store the sample path in an absolute way, making it difficult to reload user preset.
EXS24 fixes the path the first time they are opened, but we cannot do that as we don't overwrite the EXS file

If you guys have a cool description of the EXS format, I don't mind improving its support in Falcon.
Still for an easier sampler exchange format, SFZ is king.
SFZ files are designed for a specific and limited set of features and parameter control, it's extremely limited especially with envelopes, while certainly better than nothing is hardly a king
I think there should be a clear distinction between a simple sample playback player and a sample-based synthesizer. And there is no need to exchange data between different sample-based synthesizers. This is because different products produce different sounds even if the ADSR value or filter cutoff value is the same. What needs to be exchanged is only the sample sound itself, and anything beyond that should be left to each synthesizer's own domain.

And there are not many parameters required for sample sounds, such as sample rate, root node, stereo/mono, loop point, key mapping, etc. SFZ is sufficient for this, even WAV is fine for single samples.

I think proprietary standards should be avoided because they create ambiguity and dialects. It is common for a wavetable to be unreadable by another synthesizer due to a unique way of using ID tags in WAV files. Sample is more chaos these days. Standards controlled by a single company and formats that are not publicly available should never be used for data exchange between different products.

Currently one problem is left. Copyright. There are no good open sample format including copy protect. I wish someone make new open standard for sample format, like CLUP.

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Sampleconstruct wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:53 am
3lu5iv3 wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:02 am Does anyone know the best way to do multiband editing? I wanna create a sound with low, mid, high and process it differently.
You would have to duplicate the layer twice, then insert LP/BP/HP EQs for each of the layers and take it from there (with further FX inserted one layer level). But that's not so practical really...
Ah i see, thanks.
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3lu5iv3 wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:58 am
Sampleconstruct wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:53 am
3lu5iv3 wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:02 am Does anyone know the best way to do multiband editing? I wanna create a sound with low, mid, high and process it differently.
You would have to duplicate the layer twice, then insert LP/BP/HP EQs for each of the layers and take it from there (with further FX inserted one layer level). But that's not so practical really...
Ah i see, thanks.
You can do it with the Effect Rack and there are templates for 2 or 3 band processing, or for MS splitting.

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Stirner wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:38 pm
3lu5iv3 wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:58 am
Sampleconstruct wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:53 am
3lu5iv3 wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:02 am Does anyone know the best way to do multiband editing? I wanna create a sound with low, mid, high and process it differently.
You would have to duplicate the layer twice, then insert LP/BP/HP EQs for each of the layers and take it from there (with further FX inserted one layer level). But that's not so practical really...
Ah i see, thanks.
You can do it with the Effect Rack and there are templates for 2 or 3 band processing, or for MS splitting.
Oh that's really cool, thank u so much!
SoundCloud
"I believe every music producer inherently has something unique about the way they make music. They just have to identify what makes them different, and develop it" - Max Martin

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I'd like to hear examples of interesting Falcon 3 samples of patches that KVR users have made if they consider them special. The most clever patches are a rarity on the net but I bet Falcon can get there. Anyone care to post a few examples of anything exciting?
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NoriSato wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:36 am I think there should be a clear distinction between a simple sample playback player and a sample-based synthesizer. And there is no need to exchange data between different sample-based synthesizers. This is because different products produce different sounds even if the ADSR value or filter cutoff value is the same. What needs to be exchanged is only the sample sound itself, and anything beyond that should be left to each synthesizer's own domain.

And there are not many parameters required for sample sounds, such as sample rate, root node, stereo/mono, loop point, key mapping, etc. SFZ is sufficient for this, even WAV is fine for single samples.
I agree which is why the idea of importing SFZ into Falcon is like putting a bike tire on a Ferrari

If all you are going to do is play back simple samples in a simple way, why have the CPU and RAM overhead that comes along with SFZ over something far far lighter. That's why I think a dedicated tool inside of Falcon that samples directly into it in its proprietary format that it understands is needed

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Goodness gracious!
My oh my. The Bundle.The Bundle. The Bundle. :tu: :clap: :love:
Falcon user since 2015

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newuser2014 wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 9:26 pm Goodness gracious!
My oh my. The Bundle.The Bundle. The Bundle. :tu: :clap: :love:
I seem to recall this with a discount if you owned some of their products, I own quite a few and the price is $799 regardless if I'm signed in to their site or not.. :?

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machinesworking wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:53 pm
newuser2014 wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 9:26 pm Goodness gracious!
My oh my. The Bundle.The Bundle. The Bundle. :tu: :clap: :love:
I seem to recall this with a discount if you owned some of their products, I own quite a few and the price is $799 regardless if I'm signed in to their site or not.. :?
The discount was there until April 14th.

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