Syntronik [update March 2018: New T-03 Bonus Content & 4-for-1 bass synth promo] available

[wagtunes]

wagtunes, your arrogance is displayed here:

@ghetto

It boggles my mind how people can't grasp such a simple concept.

From what I can gather watching videos Syntronik will be able to select for example, square wave vs sawtooth, etc..and apply some of the simple synthesis methods you mentioned.

It may not have some of the more sophisticated synth features that snobs such as yourself have come to love.

Peter has already said, everything is patch specific. There is no pulling up a square wave and doing whatever you want to it.

And you can keep calling me names for all I care.

I've become immune to your kind.

[Dewdman42]

yet more arrogance. what exactly is my kind?

I've become immune to your kind.

just sayin'...

When we get the product in the next few days and if it turns out there is no way to build up a patch other then pick one of the presets and layer up to 4 of them with an arp..then I will be first in line to call it a rompler. What I read from Peter on this thread about what it can do has largely been vague and trying to stay out of the weeds in the discussion. We shall see what it can do in a few days.

[plexuss]

Syntronik is not a synthesizer - its a sample library. This is a simple fact. Not that it matters. Sample library, ROMpler, synth... doesn't matter. What matters is what you do with it.

I am passing on Syntronik because I don't want 50-60GB of samples on my machine. I prefer synths anyway because I like to know my waveforms are being, well, synthesized. Most synths in the software domain will benefit in better audio quality from higher project sample rates. I usually work in 96k. A sample library is limited to the data rate of the source samples which in most cases are no more than 44.1k. I also prefer the versatility of a pure synth. But I also do use sample libraries like UVI, etc where my tracks can benefit from them or I want to specific sounds.

[ghettosynth]

disagree completely. The M1 played sample wave forms there were largely already the complex desired wave form, such as piano, or strings or whatever. Same goes for most of the UVI crap, none of which I like.

If you don't like UVI then you're probably going to be disappointed. This is definitely cut from the same cloth. You should be able to see this clearly from the user interface(s).

Taking simple wave forms and synthesizing richer timbres out of them is something else entirely... That is synthesis.

How are you going to do that with virtually no modulation routings? Apparently you don't understand the phrase "mutually exclusive", being a rompler doesn't make it "not a synthesizer", yes, it's a simple synthesizer, so is my grandmother's Wurlitzer.

The simple waveforms in Syntronik aren't going to give you much at all really. You don't have any pitch modulation, no resonance modulation, very limited LFO options, no oscillator mixing, no osc sync, non cross mod, no ring mod, etc.

The word rompler has an inferred meaning that we are playing back samples that are already basically baked in timbres.

That's your own definition that doesn't really hold up. However, that is largely what you're getting with Syntronic. Every rompler that I still own and every rompler that I have owned has had some basic synth waveforms that could be used as layers. Having such samples doesn't dismiss the rompler label. Again, you are redefining the term to suit your prejudice because you want this to be more than it is.

I don't have anywhere near the hardware that I used to but, I still have a half a dozen or so hardware romplers that get at least some use. They all have more powerful synthesizers than synctronik.

Here you go, don't take my word for it, look for yourself. Here's the manual for the TG-500. I don't think that anyone ever doubted the TG500's classification as a rompler, no? Page 310 lists the raw waveforms. They even have a full on category for this function, it's called, appropriately, OSC. Notice that there is also a pitch envelope and a lot of depth in terms of effects routing, among other improvements over the Synctronik engine. Also take note of the layers concept.

http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/docs_manua ... manual.pdf

This is among the oldest, least powerful, and least used of the romplers that I own. You're kidding yourself if you think that the level of complexity in Syntronik's synth engine is novel or powerful in any way.

I get the sense that some of you have never actually programmed a rompler?

Syntronik appears to have the ability to take simple wave forms and synthesize richer timbres out of it....

How? Other than simple layering and mostly static filtering with perhaps some LFO you're simply not getting anything more than you get with a UVI product, less in some cases. You use of the word "appears" betrays your lack of understanding of the product and of synthesis in general.

All of this is easy to determine just from the interface, but, you'll find out tomorrow when you get your hands on the product.

BTW: I'm no fan of UVI products either, but, it's clear that they fit a niche and I do own one of their libraries. If this product fills a gap in your workflow, then great, but don't kid yourself, just like UVI products, it's a rompler.

@ghetto and wagtunes, it boggles my mind the arrogance of analog synth snobs on this thread.. so there...

Your mind is easily boggled it seems.

[wagtunes]

yet more arrogance. what exactly is my kind?

I've become immune to your kind.

just sayin'...

When we get the product in the next few days and if it turns out there is no way to build up a patch other then pick one of the presets and layer up to 4 of them with an arp..then I will be first in line to call it a rompler. What I read from Peter on this thread about what it can do has largely been vague and trying to stay out of the weeds in the discussion. We shall see what it can do in a few days.

I can save you the trouble and find specifically what Peter said in this thread, but at 53 pages, no way I am going through all of it to find what I already know.

And there's nothing wrong with it being JUST THAT.

Know why I bought the EWQL orchestral stuff (all samples)? Because I wanted something that sounded as close to a real orchestra as possible. I don't care if I can't morph a violin into a supersaw.

Sometimes samples are exactly what you want short of the real thing. And I can't afford to hire a symphony orchestra. But for making synth sounds I want a synth. That's why I didn't buy Nexus. I have no use for it. It doesn't give me authentic orchestral sounds and as a synth it sucks. Heck, it doesn't even try to pretend it's a synth. And for what it is and what it does, it's fine. Obviously since lots of people buy it. And I am sure lots of people will buy Syntronik.

Just not people who want to program synthesizers.

[ftech]

I wonder if this thread will be less cooked after the release....or more...

[wagtunes]

yet more arrogance. what exactly is my kind?

I've become immune to your kind.

just sayin'...

When we get the product in the next few days and if it turns out there is no way to build up a patch other then pick one of the presets and layer up to 4 of them with an arp..then I will be first in line to call it a rompler. What I read from Peter on this thread about what it can do has largely been vague and trying to stay out of the weeds in the discussion. We shall see what it can do in a few days.

Okay, first of all, what I am about to post YOU ALREADY KNEW and already said in your OWN WORDS that you were disappointed to hear this and maybe should have waited to spend the $69. So I don't even know why I'm bothering with this.

But...I went through the whole thread until I found the relevant posts by Peter.

Here they are.

Since there seems to be a lot of oversimplification(as well as overcomplication)/assumption here, I hope this clears it up (in addition to the web site and my multiple descriptions of exactly what Syntronik is and is not):

We provide 4 LAYERS in Syntronik. This is where the user can combine the instruments (single presets) from any of our 17 synths. So if you want to do custom sound design with more control than you have within a single “instrument," you can think of Syntronik as a 4-oscillator synth with each LAYER as a single oscillator. 

The added power here is that each LAYER (each “oscillator” in this example) has the ability to contain more than one oscillator of samples. For example, a single LAYER can contain an instrument that has a single sawtooth wave in Osc 1 and a second sawtooth wave in Osc 2 that you can detune. Or maybe Osc 1 has samples of 2 detuned oscillators, and Osc 2 has samples of a single square wave with a suboscillator to create a 4-oscillator sound out of just one “instrument” (just one LAYER). And for those that want total control, you can easily choose an instrument that has just a single oscillator sample in Osc 1, program that the way you want it, then use LAYER 2 for a second oscillator, LAYER 3 for a third oscillator, etc. This is no different than “Elements” in a Yamaha Motif or other rompler. And in fact, this structure goes all the way back to the famous Yamaha CS-80 which has just one oscillator going through the filters with dedicated envelopes. This was a deviation from the traditional idea of multiple oscillators through a single filter like the Minimoog, Oberheims, etc. did. But there is an analog synth precedent for it with the CS-80.

1. You would select the instrument you want to use (thus the oscillator(s)) and then go from there. For other instruments' oscillators you'd use another instrument on another layer.
2. Yes you can choose filters that are not normally associated with the synth you're working with in Syntronik
3. There is no master bus processing inside Syntronik. Think of it as 4 complete synths with their own effects.

So essentially, you have 4 layers, just like my Yamaha Motif that I had and sold. You load a patch into each layer. That's it. You can do some very basic stuff with each layer but nothing fancy.

Please don't make me find your very own post where you yourself said you were disappointed with the architecture.

Why do I waste my time here?

[ghettosynth]

I wonder if this thread will be less cooked after the release....or more...

I wouldn't count on it.

[ghettosynth]

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Okay, first of all, what I am about to post YOU ALREADY KNEW and already said in your OWN WORDS that you were disappointed to hear this and maybe should have waited to spend the $69. So I don't even know why I'm bothering with this.

LOL! Now that you've posted it, I remember that, what, is it groundhog day here or something?

Please don't make me find your very own post where you yourself said you were disappointed with the architecture.

Why do I waste my time here?

Because it's fun?

[wagtunes]

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Okay, first of all, what I am about to post YOU ALREADY KNEW and already said in your OWN WORDS that you were disappointed to hear this and maybe should have waited to spend the $69. So I don't even know why I'm bothering with this.

LOL! Now that you've posted it, I remember that, what, is it groundhog day here or something?

Please don't make me find your very own post where you yourself said you were disappointed with the architecture.

Why do I waste my time here?

Because it's fun?

No, it's not fun. It's not even close to being fun.

[Teksonik]

I don't care what you people call it I'm going to have fun with Syntronik. I'm absolutely guaranteed to get $69.99 pleasure from it.......

While you're still arguing about what it is or is not I'll be using it to make some great sounds.

[ftech]

I don't care what you people call it I'm going to have fun with Syntronik. I'm absolutely guaranteed to get $69.99 pleasure from it.......

While you're still arguing about what it is or is not I'll be using it to make some great sounds.

I didn't have enough Jam Points to go that low, but I was close. And same as you, looking forward to actually playing Synktronik....
It's already the 20th here in Australia...where is my Synktronik?!

[Teksonik]

I didn't have enough Jam Points to go that low, but I was close. And same as you, looking forward to actually playing Synktronik....
It's already the 20th here in Australia...where is my Synktronik?!

I just hope it's not delayed. I've set aside all of tomorrow to download / install / authorize. I figure 50 gigs per license and the KVR Stampede is likely to slow things down a bit.

If they miss the release I've already got pitchforks and flaming torches for everyone.

[plexuss]

Crap. You pointed out the Jam Points. I dont use IK a lot so they are not top of mind to me. But I knew I had JPs. Sure enough I have enough to get the 30% discount. $70. now that's tempting.

I might just get this for that price. There is always license transfers if its now my cup of tea.

Update: Ya, ok. at $70 and the ability to transfer it makes it a no-brainer to me. And I thought the price was in euro but its USD, even better.

But it's still not a synth

[ftech]

I've resigned myself to waiting a little anyway, as the IK server could get smashed at launch.
Plus my ISP isn't the quickest, so 50gb might take a wee while. I might grow a beard...