SYN'X 2.5 Released - Xils-Lab - (Multitimbral Synthex - intro discount-)

[xavier]

Hi Losan,

Thanks for testing and your report

The problem is that on a 64 bits system, the 32 bits plugin (to be used in 32 bits and 64 bits DAW) is also using ...\Xilslab... as well as the 64 bits plug-in (to be used in 64 bits DAW only). It doesn't used the 32 bits registry used by the previous installers.

So in case of a previous (32 bits) installation, as the default folder has changed, you may browse to choose your previous install folder to keep your previous presets (or, like you did, after the new install, copy the entire folder content to this new location.

Maybe the installer could try to get the old install folder and display it. I will check it.


BTW: the PolyKB II is already available as a beta version, and the Synthix, soon updated to get these new install enhancements.

Best regards
Xavier

BTW : For technical points only (but also for wishes, sharing or anything else ), you can post on our dedicated forum

[whyterabbyt]

Okay, I give up. how the hell do i even find the presets I made myself on my old machine so that I can move them onto my new one. I have the old preset folder, but I have no idea which of the hundreds of .inf and/or .prt files are -mine- and even if I move the old folder's .inf/.prt contents into the new ones (while stopping it from overwriting existing files) no new presets appear in XILS.

where the hell are my presets? and how do i move them from one machine to another?

and why the ludicrously obfuscating file naming convention? it was too hard to use bankname0000.inf instead of preset0000.inf was it?

[Lotuzia]

Okay, I give up. how the hell do i even find the presets I made myself on my old machine so that I can move them onto my new one. I have the old preset folder, but I have no idea which of the hundreds of .inf and/or .prt files are -mine- and even if I move the old folder's .inf/.prt contents into the new ones (while stopping it from overwriting existing files) no new presets appear in XILS.

where the hell are my presets? and how do i move them from one machine to another?

and why the ludicrously obfuscating file naming convention? it was too hard to use bankname0000.inf instead of preset0000.inf was it?

Hi WR,

erf

The most elegant solution is :

If your presets are in a single dedicated bank ( Like "My WR Presets" ) : Just use the function "export" on your old machine, it will create a file that you can name, then just import that bank into the new system using the import function. Its done in two clicks. ( note the import/export functions are located at the bottom of the first criteria drop down menu in the menu bar. )

If your presets are in different banks you can just use the MOVE function to transfer these presets in a newly created bank, that you will export in a second step (see above)

Then the last solution is indeed to copy/paste the whole folder in its new repertory. You can say "all" when it proposes you to replace old presets, because only the factory ones will be replaced ( wich is one of the advantages of the file system you describe, the other one beeing that if you ever save a modified preset with the SAME name, with Xils system you will still see it, while on systems based on regular OS naming files, it will be lost, or you'll loose the first incarnation of this preset. There are other advantages, but its too long to discuss it, and as you see there are also minus, depending on how you see and manage the whole system )

If you dont see then the presets with the copy/paste method, its likely because you dont have the admin rights on the folder where you installed the plug in. Try install it in another folder, or, I think its better and more elegant, just use the Import/Export trick, wich ensures a quick and reliable method to save and back up series of selected presets for : Complete add on Libraries, track/live/album projects, migrations between two machines/systems/users with selective choices, etc etc

Hope it helps,

LtZ

[_leras]

MODERATORS

Surely this type Promotion/Bug Fix thread should be moved to a better place. Perhaps you should help Xils create their own sub forum where they can separate their bug fix message from this bull promo thread...

Bumping a CM review score many times over... by way of responding to bug fixes... beside being ironic, it detracts from any actual discussion of said, or other, instruments.

THANKS

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[whyterabbyt]

it detracts from any actual discussion of said, or other, instruments.

not for me, actually, as i posted in the wrong thread because this one comes up first if you do a KVR search for "xils 3" and I didnt read the thread title properly.

(same preset management system though, so not entirely OT)

[whyterabbyt]

If your presets are in a single dedicated bank ( Like "My WR Presets" ) : Just use the function "export" on your old machine, it will create a file that you can name, then just import that bank into the new system using the import function.

wasn't possible, i only have backups of the disk from the old machine.

Then the last solution is indeed to copy/paste the whole folder in its new repertory. You can say "all" when it proposes you to replace old presets, because only the factory ones will be replaced

i have 3rd-party patches on the new ssytem already, and nothing seems to stop them from being overwritten, though?

i did work out a solution, but its fugly; i temporarily renamed new machine's XILS folder and replaced it with the old machine's. then i did the export, set the folders back the way they were and did an import.

Problem with (or, it would appear, any export/import?) that a bank by 'me' called "Drones", saved out as mydrones.evcs becomes a bank called "mydrones.evcs". not only do I not want the bank renamed just because I export it, but the import keeping the filename suffix of the bank file? That's just bizarre.

[whyterabbyt]

Oh, this is just frustrating. I have my bank, once called 'Drones', now annoyingly renamed to 'Drones.evcs' because of the import/export cycle.

So I try and rename it to Drones... and wahey, all my non-Factory banks rename to Drones. Seriously, WTF?

This is 64-bit xils-3, btw. At this point, it'd be easier and more reliable to batch-edit the text in the preset files.

edit : and why is it that if I switch off display of the Factory bank, there's still one Factory preset (factory>bass>Xils Bass 10 Superstition) displayed?

[_leras]

it detracts from any actual discussion of said, or other, instruments.

not for me, actually, as i posted in the wrong thread because this one comes up first if you do a KVR search for "xils 3" and I didnt read the thread title properly.

(same preset management system though, so not entirely OT)

but if you need support from Xils, what on earth is your own personal support chat message doing in this thread at the top of Instruments, not in a support email to xils, or at least in a Xils forum message with a clear header relevant to your issue...?

I'm sure I'm not the only one keeps thinking there could be something interesting in this thread, to find it's all completely unrelated...


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[whyterabbyt]

what on earth is your own personal support chat message doing in this thread

because Im looking for support, silly. from xils themselves or anyone else who know.

at the top of Instruments

You're saying people aren't allowed to look for support for an instrument in a thread in Instruments?

not in a support email to xils

Well, did you know that its not just the developers who have the answer to some questions? That other users might too? Did you consider that a community for users of plugins might actually discuss issues with the use of plugins? In threads about those plugins?
Scary thought, huh?

or at least in a Xils forum message with a clear header relevant to your issue...?

That would kind of restrict the pool of people who might know. If it doesnt pan out here, that'll be my next step. But Ive been at KVR a few weeks now, and I think I have a passing understanding of whether this is acceptable here or not.

I'm sure I'm not the only one keeps thinking there could be something interesting in this thread, to find it's all completely unrelated...

Well, its strange, but the stuff Im asking about is of interest to me.

On the other hand, Im pretty sure a thread in the Instruments forum isnt the right place to contact the site manager or moderators about who gets a developer forum, and what people can post about in threads. I suggest you try Site Stuff or PMing the mods directly.

[losan]

Oh, this is just frustrating. I have my bank, once called 'Drones', now annoyingly renamed to 'Drones.evcs' because of the import/export cycle.

So I try and rename it to Drones... and wahey, all my non-Factory banks rename to Drones. Seriously, WTF?

This is 64-bit xils-3, btw. At this point, it'd be easier and more reliable to batch-edit the text in the preset files.

edit : and why is it that if I switch off display of the Factory bank, there's still one Factory preset (factory>bass>Xils Bass 10 Superstition) displayed?

Happened to me also in the past with XILS 3,
that's why I use the "copy" folder method.
One thing you might try - before importing your bank - is to re-name it from
"Drones.evcs" to just "Drones" (so without the extension)
In the Import dialog be sure to switch for "All Files (*.*).
This worked once for me with one of the XILs-lab synths,
though I don't know, if it was XILS 3.
Hope it does help.

Cheers

[whyterabbyt]

Happened to me also in the past with XILS 3,
that's why I use the "copy" folder method.
One thing you might try - before importing your bank - is to re-name it from
"Drones.evcs" to just "Drones" (so without the extension)
In the Import dialog be sure to switch for "All Files (*.*).
This worked once for me with one of the XILs-lab synths,
though I don't know, if it was XILS 3.
Hope it does help.
Cheers

Having had a look inside the .evcs file now, its just a plain text file, and I can see that the bank name Drones.evcs is embedded in it for each preset, delimted with hashes.
That then meant I could search-and-replace the string

Code: Select all

#Drones.esvc#

with

Code: Select all

#Drones#

inside the bank file and voila, when I imported, it imported with the right bank name.
Which is nice.

That also makes me realise that its the Export that's messed up, not the Import...

[Lotuzia]

To WR :

Just a few things :

Yes the soundbank has probably been exported actually as " drones.ecvs.ecvs " . it happened to me a few times on Windows when you see in the name field "your_name.ecvs" with the suffix already "prewritten". To prevent this you must take care that only "your_name" is displayed in this area before saving. it might be different on a Mac though.

Then when you use the function "Rename" for a bank you must be sure that at least a preset of this bank is selected in the center preset window. Maybe if the second criteria is set to "all" it can perturbate this process ( I cant see why but well I'll check that also ). i'll have to make a few experiments to see if its the case or not.

I'd say that the textfiles based mini database system has its pros and eventually cons : The global functions, wich can affect a big number of presets can lead to a messed architecture of presets, as on the positive side they are powerfull.

Also I'll make a tutorial video asap to give people some tips and tricks, and the general meaning and use of functions wich concern preset management.

In my both humble and biased opinion, the Xils-Lab preset management system is one of the most powerfull ones I've seen, together with NI one, that a lot of people find obscure as well ( especially on some of their units like GR )

My feeling is that with synths/samplers beeing now able to host a lot of presets, or musical instruments inside the instrument, some kinds of "content management" tools are heavily required and welcomed. Nothings worse than having to load a lot of 32 presets soundbanks, each containing different categories of presets, and to have endless lists.

But the drawback is that these more sophisticated content management tools certainly require a more or less short/long learning curve.

And to _Leras : I've seen tons of threads where people ask for feedback or help in the instruments forum. Even some concerning some companies that have their own forum on KVR ( wich is not Xils case ), and even some where you participated recently, without exhibiting this kind of behaviour. I just find strange that you dont make the same answer to all people asking for help on KVR ( ie why dont you use ticket system or emails et voilà ).

To be clear : This consolidated thread is made to debate about all aspects of the Synthix, and eventually more generally speaking all Xils synths, until each one has its own dedicated thread, and to have a centralised place where we can help users and answer their questions, as well as eventually adding usefull info when we feel such info can be of interest for our users. Its easier than to have dozens of different threads wich might not get our attention. That's all.

Again I've seen a lot of threads speaking of one synth, one subject, then speaking of something else ( like cats) then moving back to the synth/subject etc. Its a forum, and therefore it is mainly what people/users make of it, and see as usefull for them, or people reading them.

[aMUSEd]

Okay, I give up. how the hell do i even find the presets I made myself on my old machine so that I can move them onto my new one. I have the old preset folder, but I have no idea which of the hundreds of .inf and/or .prt files are -mine- and even if I move the old folder's .inf/.prt contents into the new ones (while stopping it from overwriting existing files) no new presets appear in XILS.

where the hell are my presets? and how do i move them from one machine to another?

and why the ludicrously obfuscating file naming convention? it was too hard to use bankname0000.inf instead of preset0000.inf was it?

I think this is the main reason I have not made as many banks for these synths - I just find the whole system so frustrating and unintuitive to deal with. Give us proper file management with real preset and bank names in files we can move around at will. I have just installed these on my Mac but have no idea how I'm going to transfer my presets across - on the other hand with Alchemy and my u-he plugins it was just a question of copying the folder/s and that was that.

[xavier]

Hi

I uploaded the 1.0.3 beta of the Synthix (officially released in a few days)
I hope it will fit with some of your wishes.
Anyway, it fixes some bug in this area and gives you only one installer for both 32 and 64 bits

http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/Synthix_Download.html

Like I wrote in the XILS 3 preset management thread, we plan to provide a new way to look at the presets library, allowing a full use of our powerful preset database.

The layer management will also be enhanced to address some of your wishes (and criticisms )

But this need time, so it won't be available before some months (hopefully before Summer)

Best regards
Xavier

[Lotuzia]

From Xils-Lab Newsletter ( April 2015 ) :

" After the XILS 3 v2.0 and XILS 4, it’s now time for the Syn’X to be available with a soft ilok protection

• Soft Ilok : No more obligatory physical dongle required
  Update for forthcoming Syn’X 2.0 will be FREE !
  Ilok 1&2 and eLicencer protections remain available for those who prefer these solutions

Update is free for all Syn'X owners ! "