Musikmesse 2012: Propellerhead to share "exciting news"

[cytone]

I am not a developer, but 30% seems a lot

Maybe if they get a exclusive plug they get smaller cuts like 10% or something, would be great for devs and for getting exclusives.

If you sell you're products yourself you won't get 100%. For example Paypal will take 2.9% + $0.30 per transaction. Then you have the cost of maintaining your website, the time to administer it, product promotion, handling sales, emailing out download links etc, supporting install issues and problems. You also then either accept that your product will be pirated or you spend time researching and developing a clever system to protect it.
Or have Propellerhead's handle it all. Plus with the Appstore model it makes it so easy for people to try and buy you'll get more impulse purchases.

[sellyoursoul]

Piracy or not, vst development reaches a much wider (paying) customer base than what RE will allow for. My main complaint as a customer with this RE thing is becoming locked in to a single company. If I decide to move to another host down the road, I would have to start back from scratch with plugins.

[eXode]

Piracy or not, vst development reaches a much wider (paying) customer base than what RE will allow for. My main complaint as a customer with this RE thing is becoming locked in to a single company. If I decide to move on another host down the road, I would have to start back from scratch with plugins.

That is not certain and ultimately that's a question for the developers and not propellerhead. I mean we could have a scenario where RE's are priced the same as VST's but also is valid for any of the formats.

[sellyoursoul]

Piracy or not, vst development reaches a much wider (paying) customer base than what RE will allow for. My main complaint as a customer with this RE thing is becoming locked in to a single company. If I decide to move on another host down the road, I would have to start back from scratch with plugins.

That is not certain and ultimately that's a question for the developers and not propellerhead. I mean we could have a scenario where RE's are priced the same as VST's but also is valid for any of the formats.

We will have to wait and see more about the details of it all, but it would be good to hear something sooner about license transfers, crossgrades, and such.

[Crackbaby]

You have three main options as a dev:

1: Continue with VST/AU PC/MAC as now, including hosting, c/r .. all those devvy things and get 100%

2: Continue with nr1 but also make the plugin for RE and get 70% from it

3: Only go RE and not having to deal with the devvy stuff at all.

I don't think it would be good if devs suddenly stopped with nr1. All new plugins might only end up in RE though as the point of them would be the CV connections.

If you're afraid that you one day will change host and end up with no plugins, make sure those you buy the plugins from has a good crossgrade plan or that all formats will be included.

I have a hard time understand all the negativity and suspicion .. Sean brought up some valid general concerns with the Apple parallel but apart from that i think it's win-win-win.

Capitalism will iron out any rough surfaces. Prices too high? They will be lowered or someone else will sell for lower. Something missing? Someone will make it if there's a vacuum.

It's good to question motives, but most of the concerns could easily be solved in head before typing here.. This is KVR though

[spaceman]

huh huh he said nr 1

[highkoo]

Apologies to Reason users and Valhalla users if I have caused offense. My intent wasn't to diss Reason as a program, so much as to express concern about the business model, and what it implies for the future of software development in the audio industry.

Sean Costello

Dammit, you should not have to apologize.
And your opinion should carry some weight.
You made your shit work, on your own, period. And here people are dying you to cave to the App Shop.

Your opinions on the 'future of software development', and the fact that you might consider skipping an easy payday out of principle is something that I hope folks think about.

I cant imagine anyone hating on any dev for taking a payday with the Props, but its good to see that some devs are being cautious and are willing to speak their minds.

[SonicDimension]

A Re reverb (ReVerb - if anyone else takes that name, they are sneaky thieves and I hates them forever) could have special routing jacks at the back, that would act as a send and return for the feedback points of the reverb. You could put a pitch shifter in this send/return, and voila! Instant Shimmer. The pitch shifter could be the granular sort used in ValhallaShimmer, or a phase vocoder pitch shifter, or whatever generates the desired effects. For that matter, you could put anything in that feedback loop, and get some cool sounds. Or, put a noise gate in there, and get instant gated reverbs. You can't do this in VST.

Propellerhead used this trick in The Echo, a delay unit introduced last year in Reason 6. In the image below, you can see the breakout jacks for the feedback loop on the rear of the device. The Echo was actually a rack extension (although we did not know it until RE's were announced).

[gpunk]

There will also be a backlash on developers for supporting this platform with "Advanced" ports, take for instance Bitspeak, if you watch the previews of the RE version it has added features that actually are easily achievable in the VST version like the much better display (Not the perfect example because i am 100% sure that Magnus would not take the piss and that screen will be in the next VST version)

However some developers will lose customers (Fickle world) if VST features that are achievable are not added but are available in the RE version.

[xh3rv]

@Valhalla
Not sure why you compare it with the Apple App Store.

The comparison was made directly with Prollerhead's announcement video. I think it's legit, as well. The biggest factor of the app store success has been the platform, including managing app submissions and running the store. With Ableton, there's not so much to be gained with the few VSTs that have gone native. With RE, Reason is a platform that's credibly different enough to be pretty interesting relative to VSTs.

I think Apple still has very low market share for cell phones but the sales for apps were off the charts relative to other phones last time I checked. I think that's where RE might end up relative to VSTs, highly regarded stuff, but VSTs aren't going away. People are more likely to use Reason and another DAW than a couple of cell phones so maybe that will make things a little less militantly divided

[sellyoursoul]

Apologies to Reason users and Valhalla users if I have caused offense. My intent wasn't to diss Reason as a program, so much as to express concern about the business model, and what it implies for the future of software development in the audio industry.

Sean Costello

Dammit, you should not have to apologize.

As a Reason user, I agree, and I appreciate the honesty, which is something sorely lacking in the business world. Rock on Valhalla.

[liquid wind]

The comparison was made directly with Prollerhead's announcement video. I think it's legit, as well. The biggest factor of the app store success has been the platform. With Ableton, there's not so much to be gained with the few VSTs that have gone native. With RE, Reason is a platform that's credibly different enough to be pretty interesting relative to VSTs.

I think Apple still has very low market share for cell phones but the sales for apps were off the charts relative to other phones last time I checked. I think that's where RE might end up relative to VSTs, highly regarded stuff, but VSTs aren't going away. People are more likely to use Reason and another DAW than a couple of cell phones so maybe that will make things a little less militantly divided

I think there's also a great similarity in clientele, probably because they advertise with the same goal of aggressively spreading ignorance(VSTs are all unstable, VSTs can't undo, VST parameters are always unidentified CC values etc, very "I'm a mac and I'm a PC" style mud slinging)

[xh3rv]

unidentified CC values

Fair enough on other stuff, but unidentified CC values is total shit! Honestly any host could be doing this without much tech, IMO - just let users upload templates and do what Novation AutoMap does but with less suck.

As far as fanboy-ism, I should say I went as Steve Jobs (Feb 24, 1955 - Oct 5, 2011) to Zombie Pub Crawl 2011 (October 8th). Reality distortion is everywhere

[kmmcdonald]

My wife uses Reason; I use Sonar, and not Reason. If a RE version of Korg Legacy Digital Edition became available for RE, she would buy it. That is the only VST that she wishes she could run with Reason.

Keith

[Crackbaby]

I have reason but i don't use it due to lame synths and, at least prior to 6.0, effects.

If RE versions of the following comes out and there's a fair crossgrade, i would buy them:
Diva
Tyrell(well, it's a freebie right now so maybe it doesnt count)
Diversion + DFX
Valhalla Übermod
SKNote StripBus/Cuttertone
Maschine (however that would work out..)
BFD Eco

I need those or at least replacements of them..
A few of those U-he fx units would probably end up in my rack also.. Depending on the pace new synths end up in RE i would likely get the first one of the big contenders .. you know, one of those from the popular threads like "Sylenth1 vs Diva" "Diva vs Arturia vs Albino" etc etc
About 200$ is what i would spend to get rid of vst windows all over the place and get racks instead. Where will the cash end up..?

I hope everyone, users as well as devs, bugs Props the hell out on working on the sequencer etc. That QWERTY must go! One multi tool for midi editing please!

It would be truly awesome if someone would make a deck and a mixer (like tractor/torq). Maybe Behringer's new controllers will find a home in Reason now