Settings menu gets messed up, then I tried to blindly find plugins size with arrow keys and when I tried to change it it crashed. Tried 3 times with same result
Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!
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- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
Anyone tried Thorn in Live 10 Beta on Windows? I did and that's the result:
Settings menu gets messed up, then I tried to blindly find plugins size with arrow keys and when I tried to change it it crashed. Tried 3 times with same result
Settings menu gets messed up, then I tried to blindly find plugins size with arrow keys and when I tried to change it it crashed. Tried 3 times with same result
Last edited by antic604 on Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- 3204 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
Ah, yes, no worries! I somehow am confident that that's clear now.Sound Author wrote:Sorry. Was directed at Peter, not you. Wasn't trying to start anything. Just wanted to be clear that Thorn is not a WT synth.Taron wrote:...to think that you even quoted me up there is almost funny!
Yes, that's what I've said:transformed into spectral content
However, the NOISE oscillator from what it looks like does actually take samples as they are. That was our little conversation on the Challenge (OSC) thread.
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- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
UPDATE: it only happens in newly introduced hi-DPI mode, which adds support for hi-res small screens. Similar problem is with Arturia AnalogLab 2 (though it doesn't crash, just can't see anything), but works fine with U-He's Bazille. Don't have any other resizeable plugins to test this with.antic604 wrote:Anyone tried Thorn in Live 10 Beta on Windows? I did and that's the result:
Settings menu gets messed up, then I tried to blindly find plugins size with arrow keys and when I tried to change it it crashed. Tried 3 times with same result
Updated video:
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- KVRAF
- 3228 posts since 10 Nov, 2013 from Germany
First check here. I like the GUI and the sound in general.
Some minor issues:
- When moving the Harmonic Filter shaping knob there are some graphical glitches in the spectral bar frame below.
- I'm missing a manual-timing setting for the LFO's (not beat sync'd).
- Was having one crash (freezing) in Reaper.
(32-bit VST2 version, Windows7)
Some minor issues:
- When moving the Harmonic Filter shaping knob there are some graphical glitches in the spectral bar frame below.
- I'm missing a manual-timing setting for the LFO's (not beat sync'd).
- Was having one crash (freezing) in Reaper.
(32-bit VST2 version, Windows7)
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- KVRAF
- 3204 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
The LFO's have a yellow glowing SYNC button. I didn't see it at first either. I really think it's the lack of mouse over highlights, besides the distance from button to label. But, yeah, hit that yellow glowing button and you're in non-sync mode! 
With the harmonic filter and the oscillators I sometimes have no wave display and it tends to be somewhat glitchy. I must confirm it for the 64bit win version, too.
With the harmonic filter and the oscillators I sometimes have no wave display and it tends to be somewhat glitchy. I must confirm it for the 64bit win version, too.
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- KVRAF
- 3204 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
One more thing: It doesn't idle properly. In MuLab I can setup AUTO BYPASS for each instance, but that's the only way from preventing it to stuff up all CPU power, once there are several instances up.
I would try to figure out some threshold in output to truly idle it. Even if it was only at 0.0, it would likely help a lot to stop processing then.
I would try to figure out some threshold in output to truly idle it. Even if it was only at 0.0, it would likely help a lot to stop processing then.
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- KVRAF
- 2481 posts since 22 Sep, 2016
Angriff!!! Again!?
Probably again, yes
I 've tried to reuse some of my prepared material for the zebralette competition in OSC #104 (https://soundcloud.com/p-e-t-e-r-h/osc- ... kas-attack)
It's a sample with the german words "Angriff!" ("Attack!" in englisch). Guess what, I loaded the samples I've prepared for the 16 slots in zebralette into Thorn and applied exactly the same technique as with zebralette...The env thing you know...And played at the right pitch/key (some lower C and below, don't use to high keys) the word is almost recognizable. He He He....I see "Stukas Part 2 - the Revenge of the Spitfires" coming
Have fun
BTW: Please guys, give the great play list of OSC #104 a listen...Some tremendously creative stuff there. And if you like also apply your votes! Find the play list and voting instructions here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=492065
Probably again, yes
I 've tried to reuse some of my prepared material for the zebralette competition in OSC #104 (https://soundcloud.com/p-e-t-e-r-h/osc- ... kas-attack)
It's a sample with the german words "Angriff!" ("Attack!" in englisch). Guess what, I loaded the samples I've prepared for the 16 slots in zebralette into Thorn and applied exactly the same technique as with zebralette...The env thing you know...And played at the right pitch/key (some lower C and below, don't use to high keys) the word is almost recognizable. He He He....I see "Stukas Part 2 - the Revenge of the Spitfires" coming
Have fun
BTW: Please guys, give the great play list of OSC #104 a listen...Some tremendously creative stuff there. And if you like also apply your votes! Find the play list and voting instructions here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=492065
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- KVRAF
- 3204 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
Wow, that works quite well! All the consonances always fascinate me, when they come out understandably. Pretty cool, indeed!
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- KVRAF
- 2418 posts since 9 Nov, 2016
Small constructive remark on the LFO gui.
The trigger picklist is not logically placed. In the MSEG it's correct with the trigger label under it.
Not in the LFO section.
Under the knobs "speed" and "shape", the values of these knobs are displayed (as one would expect).
Yet, under the knob "phase", there is actually the value of the trigger, not a value of the phase.
It had me confused for a while, until I read the manual. But a description in the manual is not a solution for an incorrect placement of course.
The trigger picklist is not logically placed. In the MSEG it's correct with the trigger label under it.
Not in the LFO section.
Under the knobs "speed" and "shape", the values of these knobs are displayed (as one would expect).
Yet, under the knob "phase", there is actually the value of the trigger, not a value of the phase.
It had me confused for a while, until I read the manual. But a description in the manual is not a solution for an incorrect placement of course.
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- KVRAF
- 2418 posts since 9 Nov, 2016
If you move the "sync" label closer and move the "bipolar" you actually make some space for the trigger. ; ) .Taron wrote:The LFO's have a yellow glowing SYNC button. I didn't see it at first either. I really think it's the lack of mouse over highlights, besides the distance from button to label.
Although you'll need some more horizontal space as well and need to resize the LFO panel a bit.
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- KVRAF
- 2481 posts since 22 Sep, 2016
I think I will also try some "optimizations"Taron wrote:Wow, that works quite well! All the consonances always fascinate me, when they come out understandably. Pretty cool, indeed!
1.) Move the OSC to OSC 3 and added a tiny µ of FM with noise set to very low volume. Could probably help the consonants
2.) Load the whole samples (the source of the 16 slots for the Oscillator) into the harmonic filter...may be this will help to get rid of frequency artefacts that come from the Oscillator but are not present in the sample itself.
Still so many options to explore
By the way, Taron: Welcome to the world of commercial Synths in 2017 - If you grab yourself a copy of Avenger, Rapid or Icarus you will find Synths that are even more crazy then Thorn is. The elements I found in Thorn are actually - how shall I put it to not sound arrogant - not a big surprise, it's what you expect of a well equipped commercial synth today. There's actually one unique selling proposition to Thorn, that is the extremly promising glitch sequencere. But I think this can be simulated for instance in Avanger with it's tremendous modularity, allowing for up to 8 Step Sequencers per patch, as well...And you know it's going to be black friday/christmas soon
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- KVRAF
- 2481 posts since 22 Sep, 2016
Hey guys,
I took some time to fiddle around...Here's 3 Basedrum Patches.
They all come with a pitched/sine body. That being said, you can use them to play unisono with your bass line, which is a technique to keep your bass clean and which is often used in the more aggresive styles of trance/technos. Also you have to find the key range where they work well...
Some final words to your speakers: Please start with a low volume before you try them out
Findings about the MSEG:
1.) They are quite versatile but what I haven't found yet is the "one shot" feature, i.e. the MSEG runs through just once. Anybody?
2.) The editing, especially the fine control is extremly demanding n terms of fine-motor skills. Is there a "break out" window, or zoom feature where one can have a finer control over the MSEG?
3.) I haven't found a dedicated loop start/end feature like in zebralettes MSEGs
I took some time to fiddle around...Here's 3 Basedrum Patches.
They all come with a pitched/sine body. That being said, you can use them to play unisono with your bass line, which is a technique to keep your bass clean and which is often used in the more aggresive styles of trance/technos. Also you have to find the key range where they work well...
Some final words to your speakers: Please start with a low volume before you try them out
Findings about the MSEG:
1.) They are quite versatile but what I haven't found yet is the "one shot" feature, i.e. the MSEG runs through just once. Anybody?
2.) The editing, especially the fine control is extremly demanding n terms of fine-motor skills. Is there a "break out" window, or zoom feature where one can have a finer control over the MSEG?
3.) I haven't found a dedicated loop start/end feature like in zebralettes MSEGs
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- KVRAF
- 2481 posts since 22 Sep, 2016
I love the Synth! Sorry for being enthusiastic!
And sorry for saying that the synth has strong very capable competitors (see post above) - it's just the reality in the commercial synth business these days.
To show you that I appreciate this little gem, I will share again a little preset. If you don't like me posting presets, please say "stop, no more crap..." Please use Mod Wheel with the attached preset.
And sorry for saying that the synth has strong very capable competitors (see post above) - it's just the reality in the commercial synth business these days.
To show you that I appreciate this little gem, I will share again a little preset. If you don't like me posting presets, please say "stop, no more crap..."
Please use Mod Wheel with the attached preset.You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
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- KVRAF
- 3204 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
No way, keep 'em coming! I've already got a folder for your presets, so... it begs to be filled! 
I've never really used internal sequencers, but you do inspire me to have a go at it, too!
I've never really used internal sequencers, but you do inspire me to have a go at it, too!