KVR Audio

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:26 pm

himalaya wrote:You might need to update to the latest version, or I maybe I'm using an older build (could be why it's not showing up).
Let's both update to the latest build and I will resend the preset then.

Updated to the latest a few days back. Maybe it's on your side.

Bandaide · Post by **Bandaide** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:06 pm

What MPE samplers are you folks using with your Rises? I "get" the Kontakt trick (loading up multiple instances of a instrument and setting them to different channels), but it's a bit of a pain. Logic's ESX24 is easy to use and fully compatible, but there are very few built in effects.

Any other options?

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:19 pm

Dunno. I actually don't find the MPE stuff particularly useful. It mostly feels like a gimmick to me when I use it with Equator so I haven't really looked beyond that for any other MPE compatible stuff. I just like playing the keywaves but I still need to fine-tune it so it's not too sensitive to my pounding on it.

ChamomileShark · Post by **ChamomileShark** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:06 pm

I have used it to control dynamics on individual notes in polyphonic orchestrations in kontakt . I would think that halion probably works like kontakt but I have only just got it. Falcon has some more patches I get the feeling that you need to just add multiples but again I have not tried it

BassMasterK · Post by **BassMasterK** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:42 am

Bandaide wrote:What MPE samplers are you folks using with your Rises? I "get" the Kontakt trick (loading up multiple instances of a instrument and setting them to different channels), but it's a bit of a pain. Logic's ESX24 is easy to use and fully compatible, but there are very few built in effects.

Any other options?

It works quite well with most of Omnisphere although if you are using an actual oscillator type patch it eats up resources real quick.

Also, the Steinberg stuff like Retrologue and Pad Shop work fairly well because of the similar modulation matrix, although now that I say that I'm trying to remember if there is a limitation with the slide affecting all notes because of the lack of setting up multiple instances like with Omnisphere and Kontakt.

EDIT: HALion 6 should work perfect with it because of the ability to set up multiple instances within one application. I'm definitely going to check this out. I hadn't thought of it before.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:50 pm

Bandaide wrote:What MPE samplers are you folks using with your Rises? I "get" the Kontakt trick (loading up multiple instances of a instrument and setting them to different channels), but it's a bit of a pain. Logic's ESX24 is easy to use and fully compatible, but there are very few built in effects.

Any other options?

Falcon works pretty well though I'm not totally sure how to set it up from scratch. There are a bunch of MPE presets that can be changed to suit me, so I've not bothered.

Bandaide · Post by **Bandaide** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:44 am

You know what's strange?

I have both the Seaboard Rise and the Lightpad M, and the Blocks Dashboard (for use with the Lightpad) is superior to the Roli Dashboard (for use with the Rise). With the Blocks Dashboard you can save presets, for instance. And you can do things like change your Slide behavior from Absolute to Relative.

None of this is possible with the Rise, however. I assume it's coming? But it seems a odd that their $850 and $1100 products have less software support than their Blocks.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:33 am

It's probably an indication of how much money they make from each.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:48 am

BONES wrote:It's probably an indication of how much money they make from each.

Yep. All i see now from them is about blocks and iOS mostly. Consumerism.
The Rise dashboard is a joke.
But i still like the Rise to just use it together with tools like Polymer which let you setup a specific number of notes per channel.
But that can be done via software as well without MPE controllers (of course you loose the MPE modulation options then).
However, i feel the Rise a bit abandoned.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:57 am

It's an indication that one was made much earlier (RISE Dashboard) than the other (BLOCKS Dashboard), and that small teams work on many products to tight deadlines, which in turn informs which features are implemented first.

ChamomileShark · Post by **ChamomileShark** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:18 am

I still hope one day they will add presets to the Rise dashboard. But maybe they will be a company that "fires and forgets".

I see that the Grands are now something like 50% off.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:28 am

ChamomileShark wrote:I still hope one day they will add presets to the Rise dashboard. But maybe they will be a company that "fires and forgets".

I see that the Grands are now something like 50% off.

Not sure....it’s more like making shareholders happy. Roli is like Apple.
I was so excited at the beginning but i see they are leaving things behind very fast to introduce new and leave out important things to customize.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:54 pm

himalaya wrote:It's an indication that one was made much earlier (RISE Dashboard) than the other (BLOCKS Dashboard), and that small teams work on many products to tight deadlines, which in turn informs which features are implemented first.

That doesn't mean products need to be executed with such inconsistency.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:25 pm

Cinebient wrote:But i still like the Rise to just use it together with tools like Polymer which let you setup a specific number of notes per channel.
But that can be done via software as well without MPE controllers (of course you loose the MPE modulation options then).
However, i feel the Rise a bit abandoned.

Possibly. I'm happy using it as a standard MIDI controller, because I'll only ever use it on stage, so it doesn't fuss me too much. It's mostly a beautiful thing to own, like a nice painting or something. It's usefulness is almost secondary, as long as I can find an excuse to use it on stage.

Bandaide · Post by **Bandaide** » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:56 am

Heard the latest Diva beta is MPE compatible. Anyone try it out yet?

Roli Seaboard RISE