Tone2 Saurus Teaser - Competition - KVR Giveaway

[zvenx]

How about replicating some Diva basses? In particular, any of the following:

Here's that HS bass Nine preset. You hear both synths.

http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... Saurus.wav

Thanks!

Second one is Diva (I'll eat my cat if it's not ).

not sure what mode Raphael used in the comparison, but I just roughly did the same notes he did in Diva using the same patch and what I did tonewise sounds a lot different than either of the two.

rsp

[Bronto Scorpio]

I finally tested Saurus a bit more

It's definitely a nice synth. I certainly doesn't have the magic that "The other synth" has but it uses way less CPU, so that's understandable.

I don't care if a synth sounds analog, digital or like a space hamster. I just want to be inspired. That's of course a very subjective thing but Saurus feels like just another synth to me. It just doens't inspire me to make sounds.
I should note that I'm VERY picky about my synths though.
Don't get me wrong, Saurus is great! If you don't have a nice allround synth already this is a really good option with a nice price tag (In that price range I'd go for ACE though....but that's another topic )!

Everyone knows that I'm a certified U-He fanboy (But for a reason!) and since this seems to be a Diva vs. Saurus thread now everybody will probably think "Well, of course the U-He fanboy doesn't like it"
But that's not true!
It's just my honest opinion

Cheers
Dennis

[Ingonator]

as promised i created an audio demo of my Diva factory preset (called "JP-8 Low Brass")
Ingo

Hi Ingo,
I can't find that preset in your folder in DIVA. Is it named differently perhaps?

Hi Raphael,

i'm sorry. The Diva patch is called "IW Jupiter Synth Brass 2". The name of the original Jupiter 8 preset was "Low Brass" so i mixed those two names somehow...
I corrected that in my post now.


Ingo

[D N A]

CPU usage is in no way an indicator of quality.

Well, it may totally overshadow this "quality" factor, especially if it turns your DAW into one channel studio

Sure, it's all subjective. It's like computer game - it may have amazing graphic quality, amazing fun factor but if it runs slow on your computer then you have two options: buy better computer, critize product and ask for better optimization.

I mean - everyone can have it's opinion. My opinion is that if any plugin changes my small studio powered by 4 cores into one channel studio then ... something is not right. Why ? Because for 99 % of other applications I ever used (which includes gaming, music stuff, gfx stuff, it programming stuff) this 4 cores were enough to bring quality on the table. So yes, there I said it - i think that both ACE and DIVA are bad optimized and way too demanding for CPU. Compare ACE with other VA synths and you'll see that it requires noticably more CPU power (and it does sound quite similar) than others. and saying "buy new computer and deal with it" (because I dont want to spend more time to optimize my stuff) doesnt change a thing...

From such perspective, I'm happy that there is finally some possibly good VA, which sounds good (probably not as good as Diva) and what's important to me - it'll let me run few instances in my DAW without any problems, and still i'll have plenty of room for other plugins, processing etc. And there are chances that even if the Saurus quality may be not as Diva, I won't hear it in the mix.

On the other hand, if you're VA enthusiast, have most modern computer - you'll probably love Diva and you won't care about optimization. At least not until another developer release new plugin called Tenor which will require you to upgrade your cpu to intel i15

Like I said - it's all subjective. I don't like physically modelled plugins because they're cpu killers and from the same reason I'm not a Diva and Ace fan. But Zebra is ok

[hakey]

I've taken Himalaya's audio, split the two clips, adjusted them both so that they are just below clipping, and then stitched them back together.

Bass Nine

No compression or limiting, just a single level adjustment for each.

Can you tell which is which?

Edit: to be as fair as possible, I've uploaded a version that deliberately favours the quieter clip of the two (I've allowed it more headroom than the other - dl the wav and check the waveforms).

-

[4damind]

I wished Markus would make a better demo version. 10min demo time is a point where a lot users will lost completely the interest. I don't think this will help to force the users to buy it as quick as possible because many of us always own other similar synth.

There is also this computed voice which will "help" that users will not have much interest to use the demo version in a song

On the other side, saving and loading is not completely disabled. Patches can be saved with the DAW host function (it works here in Cubase without problems).
I wished I could dive deeper into the details to get a better idea where I could use this synth beside my other analog/virtual analog emulations like Diva, Arturia SEM, etc.
The only thing which is 100% clear after a short time: Saurus needs not much CPU like the competitors (Yes, we all know... it's one competitor: Diva).

[Ingonator]

Everyone knows that I'm a certified U-He fanboy (But for a reason!) and since this seems to be a Diva vs. Saurus thread now everybody will probably think "Well, of course the U-He fanboy doesn't like it"
But that's not true!
It's just my honest opinion

Cheers
Dennis

As everyone knows i am a certified Waldorf fanboy (for a reason!...) but a comparison with Diva was more obvious than doing one with Largo.
Anyway as i was again working with Largo recently maybe i should post a comparison with it too.

Personally i like both Diva and Saurus as i already mentioned before but there are certain reasons why someone could prefer one or the other. BTW i don't plan to post another Saurus vs Diva demo except if i want to compare a third synth using the demo i already made above.
The next comparison i planned was Saurus against my Moog Slim Phatty as Saurus seems to contain a Moog filter model.


Ingo

[samsam]

From such perspective, I'm happy that there is finally some possibly good VA, which sounds good (probably not as good as Diva) and what's important to me - it'll let me run few instances in my DAW without any problems, and still i'll have plenty of room for other plugins, processing etc.

Finally? There have been for years.

[D N A]

I wished Markus would make a better demo version. 10min demo time is a point where a lot users will lost completely the interest.

would love to see this


or this


by Vince DiCola

made in Saurus

i dont know which synths originally were used but i like these tracks

[xamido]

Hmm, the demo is too fast. And no init function is really frustating. I know tone 2 have great presets but the reason why i may want to get saurus is because this one looks quite easy to program from scratch.

[bailees7irish]

CPU usage is in no way an indicator of quality.

Well, it may totally overshadow this "quality" factor, especially if it turns your DAW into one channel studio

Sure, it's all subjective. It's like computer game - it may have amazing graphic quality, amazing fun factor but if it runs slow on your computer then you have two options: buy better computer, critize product and ask for better optimization.

I mean - everyone can have it's opinion. My opinion is that if any plugin changes my small studio powered by 4 cores into one channel studio then ... something is not right. Why ? Because for 99 % of other applications I ever used (which includes gaming, music stuff, gfx stuff, it programming stuff) this 4 cores were enough to bring quality on the table. So yes, there I said it - i think that both ACE and DIVA are bad optimized and way too demanding for CPU. Compare ACE with other VA synths and you'll see that it requires noticably more CPU power (and it does sound quite similar) than others. and saying "buy new computer and deal with it" (because I dont want to spend more time to optimize my stuff) doesnt change a thing...

From such perspective, I'm happy that there is finally some possibly good VA, which sounds good (probably not as good as Diva) and what's important to me - it'll let me run few instances in my DAW without any problems, and still i'll have plenty of room for other plugins, processing etc. And there are chances that even if the Saurus quality may be not as Diva, I won't hear it in the mix.

On the other hand, if you're VA enthusiast, have most modern computer - you'll probably love Diva and you won't care about optimization. At least not until another developer release new plugin called Tenor which will require you to upgrade your cpu to intel i15

Like I said - it's all subjective. I don't like physically modelled plugins because they're cpu killers and from the same reason I'm not a Diva and Ace fan. But Zebra is ok

+1

[himalaya]

I've taken Himalaya's audio, split the two clips, adjusted them both so that they are just below clipping, and then stitched them back together.

[http://dl.dropbox.com/u/68704489/Bass%20Nine.wav]Bass Nine[/url]

No compression or limiting, just a single level adjustment for each.

Can you tell which is which?

Edit: to be as fair as possible, I've uploaded a version that deliberately favours the quieter clip of the two (I've allowed it more headroom than the other - dl the wav and check the waveforms).

-

So you tell me which is which, since you favour one?

[Bronto Scorpio]

CPU usage is in no way an indicator of quality.

Well, it may totally overshadow this "quality" factor, especially if it turns your DAW into one channel studio

Sure, it's all subjective. It's like computer game - it may have amazing graphic quality, amazing fun factor but if it runs slow on your computer then you have two options: buy better computer, critize product and ask for better optimization.

I mean - everyone can have it's opinion. My opinion is that if any plugin changes my small studio powered by 4 cores into one channel studio then ... something is not right. Why ? Because for 99 % of other applications I ever used (which includes gaming, music stuff, gfx stuff, it programming stuff) this 4 cores were enough to bring quality on the table. So yes, there I said it - i think that both ACE and DIVA are bad optimized and way too demanding for CPU. Compare ACE with other VA synths and you'll see that it requires noticably more CPU power (and it does sound quite similar) than others. and saying "buy new computer and deal with it" (because I dont want to spend more time to optimize my stuff) doesnt change a thing...

From such perspective, I'm happy that there is finally some possibly good VA, which sounds good (probably not as good as Diva) and what's important to me - it'll let me run few instances in my DAW without any problems, and still i'll have plenty of room for other plugins, processing etc. And there are chances that even if the Saurus quality may be not as Diva, I won't hear it in the mix.

On the other hand, if you're VA enthusiast, have most modern computer - you'll probably love Diva and you won't care about optimization. At least not until another developer release new plugin called Tenor which will require you to upgrade your cpu to intel i15

Like I said - it's all subjective. I don't like physically modelled plugins because they're cpu killers and from the same reason I'm not a Diva and Ace fan. But Zebra is ok

Just to clarify: ACE and Diva don't use so much CPU because they are not properly optimized.

ACE uses so much CPU because everything can be modulated at audio rates, so everything has to be calculated at audio rates. And there is some heavy oversampling going on to counter the artifacts which can easily occur with heavy audio rate modulation.

Diva uses so much CPU because of the zero-delay-feedback filter with non linearities in it's feedback path. The output of the filter has to be predicted before it's actually calculated. The non linearities make this very difficult and CPU intensive.

KVR you got me! Now I finally sound like fanboy who has to defend his favorite tools
Do I get a cake or something?

Cheers
Dennis

[hakey]

So you tell me which is which, since you favour one?

I already did, in my first reply - Diva is the second in both your clip and mine.

[zvenx]

How about replicating some Diva basses? In particular, any of the following:

Here's that HS bass Nine preset. You hear both synths.

http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... Saurus.wav

Thanks!

Second one is Diva (I'll eat my cat if it's not ).

I now agree with you that 2 is in fact Diva, although I preferred the attack on 1. However, unless Raphael was not using great mode which is Diva default's mode, I am not sure why his version sounds much different than my version tonewise.

rsp