KVR Audio

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:14 pm

v1o wrote:I don't see Record as a standalone product, you can certainly use it stand alone, I see it as an expansion of Reason. You now get recording, audio, time stretching, a new Mixer and effects. For Reason users its a very attractive upgrade.

indeed

idobs · Post by **idobs** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:16 pm

AllenPOPO wrote: i love reason for its self contained musical ability, but always hated rewire, and im not sure id want a daw that couldnt load vsts. sorry im already tainted i guess good luck to them lets see if/how this shakes up the market

I think it's a great way to start getting into music/recording. But I think that when someone wants to go outside of Reason's "box" (say by wanting a particular VST), I agree that ReWire is a horrible experience...
It forces someone (who may be a novice) to think about TWO sequencers, TWO saved-files, ensuring things are launched/shutdown in the right order, etc.

This is a CRUD experience in my opinion, and instead the FL model works SO much better... If I started-out as an FL-user, but then realized that I needed another DAW too, hosting FL as a VST just *works* for the most-part. This is a great experience for those that are migrating between two solutions.

But Reason clearly doesn't want people to Migrate to another solution. Good business, but bad end-user experience.

-Ido

zion7 · Post by **zion7** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:21 pm

when Reason didn't have record for years, the people who needed record functionality left.
the people who stayed said they didn't need record. now those same group call recording audio "revolutionary". this is pure comedy. A timestretch algorithm is nice but doesn't change that is merely a Reason update that should have been included in Reason YEARS ago. But hey, if you love it, who am I to rain on your parade. Have fun with your toy people

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:26 pm

Bear in mind that you could use Soundflower on OSX (there must be a PC alternative!) to route audio signals into Record... thus... if your VST has a standalone option, you can launch that, and record directly into Record; just set the tempo to the same as record, and then slice off the latency that there will be... if you can zoom in that far of course

Just an idea....

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:27 pm

headquest wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
It has included instruments?
A new rompler. Plus all the Reason instruments are automatically there if it is installed on the computer (without opening Reason up).

That requires a separate purchase of Reason... So by itself it has a Rompler. And a good library?

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:28 pm

idobs wrote:
But Reason clearly doesn't want people to Migrate to another solution. Good business, but bad end-user experience.

-Ido

Hardly true. I mean, why INVENT Rewire if you don't want people to use other stuff... why not be like Digidesign and lock your product to a soundcard so that no-one else can join the party?

Ubiety · Post by **Ubiety** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:33 pm

So is that pronounced record or record?

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:35 pm

Amberience wrote:Bear in mind that you could use Soundflower on OSX (there must be a PC alternative!) to route audio signals into Record... thus... if your VST has a standalone option, you can launch that, and record directly into Record; just set the tempo to the same as record, and then slice off the latency that there will be... if you can zoom in that far of course

Just an idea....

Yeah I've already suggested people could use ReRoute (from Reaper) or another virtual audio cable option (of course on my Creamware system I can do that natively anyway)

Ubiety · Post by **Ubiety** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:40 pm

Hmm, which is the right pronunciation of Record?

rĭ-kôrd'

rěk'ərd

Pete C · Post by **Pete C** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:41 pm

zion7 wrote:when Reason didn't have record for years, the people who needed record functionality left.
the people who stayed said they didn't need record. now those same group call recording audio "revolutionary". this is pure comedy. A timestretch algorithm is nice but doesn't change that is merely a Reason update that should have been included in Reason YEARS ago. But hey, if you love it, who am I to rain on your parade. Have fun with your toy people

Who is saying it is revolutionary? I don't see anyone here saying that, nor do I see it in Props marketing. All of the marketing speaks of just an easy to use software, it makes no claims of being revolutionary. However, I do agree that it should have been done years ago. If they did, Reason would be in a much better position than it is today.

On the toy comment...in the hands of a good producer or band, I'm quite sure Reason and Record will be able to produce songs that sound just as good as with any other software. What exactly makes it a toy?

blank/diod · Post by **blank/diod** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:41 pm

Ubiety wrote:So is that pronounced record or record?

Neither.

It's "räkörd", and only natives of Hälsingland, Sweden can pronounce it correctly.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:42 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
Amberience wrote:Bear in mind that you could use Soundflower on OSX (there must be a PC alternative!) to route audio signals into Record... thus... if your VST has a standalone option, you can launch that, and record directly into Record; just set the tempo to the same as record, and then slice off the latency that there will be... if you can zoom in that far of course

Just an idea....
Yeah I've already suggested people could use ReRoute (from Reaper) or another virtual audio cable option (of course on my Creamware system I can do that natively anyway)

Actually I *think* I might be able to use my Profire control panel to do the same thing, by using the software returns. Will have to investigate.

serve · Post by **serve** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:50 pm

Bear in mind that you could use Soundflower on OSX (there must be a PC alternative!) to route audio signals into Record... thus... if your VST has a standalone option, you can launch that, and record directly into Record; just set the tempo to the same as record, and then slice off the latency that there will be... if you can zoom in that far of course

Just an idea....

aMUSEd wrote:
Amberience wrote:
Bear in mind that you could use Soundflower on OSX (there must be a PC alternative!) to route audio signals into Record... thus... if your VST has a standalone option, you can launch that, and record directly into Record; just set the tempo to the same as record, and then slice off the latency that there will be... if you can zoom in that far of course

Just an idea....

Yeah I've already suggested people could use ReRoute (from Reaper) or another virtual audio cable option (of course on my Creamware system I can do that natively anyway)

Actually I *think* I might be able to use my Profire control panel to do the same thing, by using the software returns. Will have to investigate.

All you had to do on a PC is use something like Hammer form PeterTools Software and a multi I/O audio card. It was simple and and very effective with the use of Multi Mapped MIDI controlls via Ableton Live and Reason/Hammer

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue May 12, 2009 5:56 pm

Pete C wrote: On the toy comment...in the hands of a good producer or band, I'm quite sure Reason and Record will be able to produce songs that sound just as good as with any other software. What exactly makes it a toy?

I like toys. Just saying.

Musicians use the word to desribe cool equipment all the time - I buy a new keyboard and say to my mates, "hey, look at my new toy".

I think that when people describe any musical equipment as a toy, they maybe don't understand musicians. YMMV though

zion7 · Post by **zion7** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:11 pm

Pete C wrote: On the toy comment...in the hands of a good producer or band, I'm quite sure Reason and Record will be able to produce songs that sound just as good as with any other software. What exactly makes it a toy?

sorry, I call all music software/gear "toys". Plus, thats how the gf views them

PS: You can make high quality music in Reason, I agree. But it takes a lot more work and usually the same project will sound better in Logic or Cubase. But yes its possible to make good music with Reason.

Record: New DAW from Propellerheads