Why you left Bitwig?

[skarabee]

yep, bad typo: 3.2.8
Aniway, I left the boat on the shore, so many simple features they missed....
promises, promises, but in the long time, you only get a fancy toy.

[machinesworking]

yep, bad typo: 3.2.8
Aniway, I left the boat on the shore, so many simple features they missed....
promises, promises, but in the long time, you only get a fancy toy.

Your grievances are real, your downplaying of Bitwig as a toy DAW because it doesn't fit you is just internet chauvinism. I wish people would know the difference but it is the wild west I guess?

Even the most full featured DAW has shortcomings, I think it's obvious Bitwig works for a lot of people, pick the one that works for you and be happy.

[jonljacobi]

yep, bad typo: 3.2.8
Aniway, I left the boat on the shore, so many simple features they missed....
promises, promises, but in the long time, you only get a fancy toy.

It's hardly a toy, but I feel you. They've improved and added so much, but not the stuff I use. I left at version 2.x, but I keep my eye on it. It just seems that my deal is not their deal.

[machinesworking]

It just seems that my deal is not their deal.

I've jumped between DAWs a few times when I felt that to be the case. I wish most people could understand that simple concept. Your choices on what you need are not everyones, otherwise Live would have had a full screen audio/MIDI editor by now, not just a subwindow you drag around. It would have also been second or so on the market with MPE. Same with my main old school DAW DP, most people have vastly different wants from DP than I do, so I'm resigned to getting the ones that relate to film and scoring that it does get.

[a9k1tp]

Just like any other DAW, Bitwig was never meant to include everything you are used to in your current DAW.

[jamcat]

Is this a support group for cult survivors?

[skarabee]

So, pointing the fact that Bitwig is still unable in 2021 to do a proper and basic midi export is "internet chauvinism"? Don't know what meaning the collision of these two words is supposed to have in the context, but for the punchline.

Been in the game since pro24 on Atari, Tested a lot of DAW, taking each one for what it has to offer. On paper, this looked promising, but IRL, still never met one around me using it on day-basis for pro-projects, on stage or in studio, apart for toying and messing around. Bitwig doesn't fill the gaps for it's own promises, period.
And the "we'll add it on next release, stay tuned and don't forget to buy an upgrade plan"... I agree, this is not only a Bitwig thing, and seems also a fashion in hardware stuff and other software, but I stay away from these. I'm ok to pay the price if the work is done, not for waiting and dreaming at some hypothetic game-changing update. Will maybe have another go when the devs have done they homework.

[machinesworking]

So, pointing the fact that Bitwig is still unable in 2021 to do a proper and basic midi export is "internet chauvinism"? Don't know what meaning the collision of these two words is supposed to have in the context, but for the punchline.

Been in the game since pro24 on Atari, Tested a lot of DAW, taking each one for what it has to offer. On paper, this looked promising, but IRL, still never met one around me using it on day-basis for pro-projects, on stage or in studio, apart for toying and messing around. Bitwig doesn't fill the gaps for it's own promises, period.
And the "we'll add it on next release, stay tuned and don't forget to buy an upgrade plan"... I agree, this is not only a Bitwig thing, and seems also a fashion in hardware stuff and other software, but I stay away from these. I'm ok to pay the price if the work is done, not for waiting and dreaming at some hypothetic game-changing update. Will maybe have another go when the devs have done they homework.

You're projecting your needs. Period. Hardly anyone staying in one DAW needs MIDI export in the first place. So plenty of people wouldn't even notice what you think of as damming evidence of its "toy" status. I want SysEx recording in the DAW, but unlike you I'm well aware that most people have no need for it, so I don't call or attempt to belittle and downplay Bitwig for not having SysEx recording capabilities.

It's pure unadulterated projection of what your needs are to everyone else to think your specific list of grievances are universal. or....

Chauvinism has extended from its original use to include fanatical devotion and undue partiality to any group or cause to which one belongs, especially when such partisanship includes prejudice against or hostility toward outsiders or rival groups and persists even in the face of overwhelming opposition

The fact is Bitwig has and continues to have people who love it as a DAW. That it doesn't do specifically what you want is flatly irrelevant to its usefulness to others. So even more than the first time, the term works for what you're "adding to the conversation" here.

[pdxindy]

So, pointing the fact that Bitwig is still unable in 2021 to do a proper and basic midi export is "internet chauvinism"?

Basically, yes. Anytime someone decides that arbitrary feature X is what makes software 'worthy' and tries to put a time based label on it, that is so.

On paper, this looked promising, but IRL, still never met one around me using it on day-basis for pro-projects, on stage or in studio, apart for toying and messing around.

And yet there are plenty of people doing just that. Just cause you don't happen to know any of them means nothing. If Bitwig, or any software, doesn't suit your needs, then simply speak for yourself. For example, "I use multiple DAW's and frequently need to move midi data between them so Bitwig is not working for me". Peoples needs vary and for someone else it is a non issue.

[Caine123]

Wow exporting midi shouldnt be special.... didnt expect bitwig cannot do that thats embarassing

[JerGoertz]

I'm just waiting for retrospective record.

[pdxindy]

Wow exporting midi shouldnt be special.... didnt expect bitwig cannot do that thats embarassing

Exporting notes works... not midi CC's

[skarabee]

I spoke for myself, as the thread invited me to explain why I did quit. If some of you disagree, and take it personnaly because they feel offended in their opinion, and require me not to say this or that, I just don't care.

[skarabee]

Wow exporting midi shouldnt be special.... didnt expect bitwig cannot do that thats embarassing

Exporting notes works... not midi CC's

Not bad for a DAW that claimed "collaborative work" at the very beginning of it's own story...

[mholloway]

I spoke for myself, as the thread invited me to explain why I did quit. If some of you disagree, and take it personnaly because they feel offended in their opinion, and require me not to say this or that, I just don't care.

Here's what you said, though:

"IRL, still never met one around me using it on day-basis for pro-projects, on stage or in studio, apart for toying and messing around."

Is that "for yourself," really? Or is it you trying to throw shade on the DAW in question, asserting that it's only used for 'toying and messing around' and not 'pro' work. Because, I guess, the handful of people you know somehow represent accurately the entirety of professional music production.

If you were truly 'speaking for yourself' you wouldn't feel any need to float implications that nobody doing 'pro-projects' uses it. And I think 'internet chauvinism' is a pretty perfectly accurate description for this kind of condescending bs. I mean, you felt the need to assert publicly "your DAW is just a toy, no REAL pros use it" ....See the chauvinism yet?