KVR Audio

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:51 pm

Sascha Franck wrote: Yeah, 5.5.1/PC has got some massive flaws, but regarding efficiency it's amazing that a 3-4 year old audio engine (since it's still the one introduced with 5.0) is still kicking most others butts.

Massive flaws? Please give some examples.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:21 pm

christianmusicmaker wrote:
Sascha Franck wrote: Yeah, 5.5.1/PC has got some massive flaws, but regarding efficiency it's amazing that a 3-4 year old audio engine (since it's still the one introduced with 5.0) is still kicking most others butts.
Massive flaws? Please give some examples.

No offline bounce. Annoying in case you just want to quickly take a bunch of different mixes with you.
No freeze. It's amazing how you can get used to that in case you're running heavy projects.
No PDC. No way to use things such as SIR on busses.

Actually, all those don't annoy me all that much, I'm just used to it. And of course, even if it was there, I wouldn't have to freeze as often as in SX.

But then, the audio editor is really lousy. The same goes for timestretching of audio files (which, of course, is related). Quality is lousy and it's not available straight in your arrange.
Also, no MIDI plugins are supported. They can be quite fun. And no, as much as I love (and know) the environment, it's no replacement at all, especially when working with virtual instruments.
No MIDI inout/output plugin support. Can be partially compensated by using Energy XT and a virtual MIDI driver, but it still sucks.
Bad plugin compatibility. Lots of note hangers and the likes, especially on sample based plugins (such as Kontakt 2). Again, it can be compensated with eXT, but it's annoying that eXT will allways eat up all your keyboard controls.
No OMF support. It's supposed to be there, but it simply doesn't work in 5.5.1 (it even doesn't in 6.x, at least not properly). I would use that VERY often as I'm transferring projects between Logic and Cubase regularly. Fortunately it's at least working from SX to Logic.
f**ked up reclocking. Nothing for everybody, important for me, as I'm often working with "unclicked" band recordings that I'd like to work with in a proper bar/beat based manner.

I'm sure there's more, this was top of my head.
But then, I still prefer it over anything else.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:33 pm

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Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:37 pm

I know I do, Theo. Just not yet. No money for a G5.

stag · Post by **stag** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:42 pm

I remember 2 test for Cubase, the Thonex and the Five Towers.
You may run it on your mac if you want on SX, and i believe you´re going to tone down just a tiny little bit, when comparing it with a lot of single CPU PC, not even X2 or Dual cores.
it´s not by chance that macs are going to be fueled by Intel.
Meanwhile, these days i think a Pentium M is quite up to the task, without the noise and the back pain... just had cool convertes and a good channel strip.
About host... well they are hosts, they suposed to do the same: Noise... i like mine better than yours, it doesn´t make me think you´re not clever or a nice person, just different than i.

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:21 pm

Sascha Franck: I'm sure there's more, this was top of my head.
But then, I still prefer it over anything else.

Thanks Sacha. I was really curious as you seem very content with Logic 5.5 judging by your comparisons in other host threads, so I wondered why you would still be using it. Thanks for your explanation.

Cash was certainly the showstopper for me regarding Logic 7. I could get an upgrade to Logic express for £69 from Logic Audio 5 which I have, but the applecare additional cost rules it out completely. There are also equally capable if not better hosts than 7.1 now anyway IMHO.

Also freezing, bouncing and bus usage will get round the need for a ttoz level machine

but I *am* looking for a dual core system for video editing mainly, I want to get a system that runs the 64bit version of windows pre installed with 4GB of ram on a dual core system. Finding that combination has not brought any results yet in my UK searches.

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ttoz...

A dual 2.7 G5 Mac is indeed a great machine.The Logic quicktime movie over at apple.com was brilliant. Especially the feature on sculpture (I don't know if it has any equivalent) but the overall cost is just not worth it compared to other options right now for me.

I hope it all goes well for you

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:24 pm

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Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:45 pm

ttoz wrote: well according to history I am supposed to be selling it for half price soon.

Didn't want to assume so myself...

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:48 pm

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ModuLR · Post by **ModuLR** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:55 pm

which preset for ambience are you using...?

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:07 pm

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Z3R0T0N1N · Post by **Z3R0T0N1N** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:20 pm

hehhhehe
'hey, match these results guys...
oh, and if you do, you are either lying or you are missing the point somehow'

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:54 am

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Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:36 am

I'm glad you're having fun. You were always having performance problems in the past. I hope you have no such problems in the future.

Caleb

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:04 am

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time to power brag