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Frippertronix wrote:Two questions:

1. re: HarBal (I keep hearing that as someone from Alabama saying "hairball" :hihi:). I tried the demo and it will only play back at 8 bit. I ran what I think was a 32 bit wav file through it and the output was full of crackles---not the kind I'm used to hearing, though, from digital clipping or buffer overload. Is this inherent in trying to play a 32 bit file at 8 bits? If so, it's going to make evaluating it pretty tough, unless dithering to 16 bit will clear up the issue.

Also, HarBal couldn't deal with the ASIO drivers on my M-Audio 24/96. Any specualtion as to why?

Re: AAMS---I haven't run the demo yet because I don't have too many mixes ready to test, but I was wondering if this thing requires that you process through it's internal EQ, or if it will offer the option of just getting data back so you can take it and adjust another EQ with those settings. Also, what kind of "suggestions" does it make---i.e. is it good at evaluating a wide range of material and are its suggestions fairly helpful and "on"?

Thanks for the info,
Dave
Yes, Har-Bal demo is crippled to 8-bit. I think this is a lousy idea, personally; they'd be better off with a limited-time or dropout demo.

As for AAMS, there is no internal EQ in this version. It exports directly to Firium only, and offers EQ settings for Sony software, some common outboard gear and standard settings.

As for is it "good" or "on", well you can probably tell I like it. I find, at the very least, that it points out weaknesses in my mixes that I can go back and address. I encourage you to try it - just export part of a mix (as it takes a long time to analyze, which I always considered a good sign) and try it out. I do that often to get an idea of what it would sound like post-master.

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kylen wrote:Which MB comps are you guys using with AAMS settings recommendation ?
The developer of AAMS is, actually, a big fan of Izotope Ozone - and the default multiband and loudness settings are coded specifically for Ozone - so, if you own that, you're in luck.

I however don't like Ozone, so I use Waves LinMB + L2. You can switch the multiband to a 5-band display based on LinMB (actually, that was because I asked for it - accomodating dev!).

I tried using Slim Slow Slider's MB compressor, but it didn't have enough bands/features for me to translate AAMS's settings.

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[quote]I'm curious, cdunkeroo: why do you want to copy the spectral value of the drums to the bass? I don't quite understand what the benefit of that is? Aren't we usually trying to poke holes in the other's freqnuencies to make room? Just wondering.[/quote]

Lets just say I use intsruments from very different sources. B4 all of these visual aids I was really muking up the blending process. My associates where like how come your snares sound papery and I was getting a lot of fart basslines. By having the visual, I actually can "see" what needs to go where.. and if it is taking over.. PLus my songs are primarily drum orintated so this is usually my starting point...

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cdunkeroo wrote:
I'm curious, cdunkeroo: why do you want to copy the spectral value of the drums to the bass? I don't quite understand what the benefit of that is? Aren't we usually trying to poke holes in the other's freqnuencies to make room? Just wondering.
Lets just say I use intsruments from very different sources. B4 all of these visual aids I was really muking up the blending process. My associates where like how come your snares sound papery and I was getting a lot of fart basslines. By having the visual, I actually can "see" what needs to go where.. and if it is taking over.. PLus my songs are primarily drum orintated so this is usually my starting point...

C
That makes sense. I think I misunderstood your earlier post.

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Hey amongst all the madness I just realized the AAMS does not load 32 bit files?? hmmmm weird.. is this a demo limitation???

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WOw and aams is slow as ars..
been analyzing for eva..

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cdunkeroo wrote:Hey amongst all the madness I just realized the AAMS does not load 32 bit files?? hmmmm weird.. is this a demo limitation???

C
Nope, unfortunately it can only read 44-16. The developer recommends that you save a 16-bit file for AAMS to analyze, but use your 32-bit file during mastering. I don't know why this is, probably because it takes so long to analyze that it would be impractical, but I don't know.

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bduffy wow does it ever take long eh still waiting on a simple drum loop to analyze...

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cdunkeroo wrote:WOw and aams is slow as ars..
been analyzing for eva..

C
Yep. It is supposed to be carefully analyzing, I took it as a good sign, actually (but of course faster would be good!). A full length song will take several minutes, so stick with it. I'd be curious what you make of the results!

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holy going to sleep waiting for aams to analyze batman...

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Sorry if this is a bit OT but maybe the best use for AAMS would be to take a snippet of the different parts of a song to shorten the analyxing process..?

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cdunkeroo wrote:Sorry if this is a bit OT but maybe the best use for AAMS would be to take a snippet of the different parts of a song to shorten the analyxing process..?

C
A drumloop is taking that long? Doesn't sound right. AAMS is kind of rough around the edges, and occasionally just doesn't like a wave file. It's 44-16, right?

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Yea 44 16.. finished anaylzing but now hung up on DataBase Buffers Display Refresh.........................................................Finished

blank screen.. am i supposed to refesh or something?

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ok had to save full data close out and open again..

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