How is Tracktion working out for you? My decision tomm

[headquest]

another one of those (mis)leading questions headquest ...

Fair's fair - I was partly winding up Lunch Money because I thought he was antagonistic towards my good friemd christianmusicmaker

... other stuff about FL ...

Actually in spite of gol saying that in the past, in FL6 they have added PDC because users asked for it.

[rockstar_not]

Tracktion: Try it - you'll like it or hate it most likely.

I'm in the former camp. Last time I tried Cakewalk, with it's myriad buttons, I got dizzy. It's just not for me.

Tracktion - it's like it was designed how Me, Myself, & I as a software team, would design a signal recording and manipulation software package.

When it doesn't completely come through - I'm more disappointed than say if I was a Cakewalk user, specifically because Tracktion works so naturally for me in the first place.

But I've been rarely disappointed. My running Feature Request list has, oh, about 3 items on it - none of which cause me to stop using it. The list consists of: 1. Proper time/pitch stretching, 2. Notation editing, 3. audio clip grouping.

That's about it.

Just try it.

-Scott

[pHz]

another one of those (mis)leading questions headquest ...

Fair's fair - I was partly winding up Lunch Money because I thought he was antagonistic towards my good friemd christianmusicmaker

a winks as good as a nod ...

... other stuff about FL ...

Actually in spite of gol saying that in the past, in FL6 they have added PDC because users asked for it.

despite owning (host whore that i am) an fl-studio license for a while now i havent availed myself of the last 2 major updates (other than a quick try-out of FL5) so wasnt aware of that TBH ... but from his previous stance im sure gol only added PDC grudgingly and (surmising here based on his past comments) in a limited way as far as fl-studios mixer routing is concerned ...

... point was that PDC isnt necessarily all that easy to implement FULLY and COMPREHENSIVELY even in a more traditional linear sequencer environment ...

... a genuine question arises (that i dont know the answer to) - do other modular hosts like audiomulch or bidule or energyXT even attempt PDC (although if anyone can implement it i guess jorgen can) ???

slainte rob

[pdxindy]

@ Mauvehead: have Mackie fixed the plug-in delay compensation to work properly in the racks yet?

that is deceptive... it is not broken... it is a limitation to a feature in Tracktion that is already better than other hosts. Pick any software and you can find many things you would like it to do and then say why haven't they fixed it yet.

you make some good points generally, but seem overly pleased at finding and talking about flaws in tracktion.

I've never run into PDC issues, either. That's not to say they don't exist. The user base has helped Mackie identify the problem, it's being worked on, and it's not a quick fix.

But it does mean that somebody identifying a situation in which PDC doesn't work doesn't suddenly render racks useless or show that Tracktion's PDC is completely broken. Rather, it's a specialized situation.

Greg

I would not characterize it as a problem. If you follow the right protocol, it works consistently. It is simply that racks are so flexible that it is possible to create routings that PDC cannot handle. That is the strengths of racks.

One may as well say have they fixed the problem of distorting when you turn the gain up too high.

[griels]

Welcome back Rob

EnergyXT has had PDC of some sort for a few months now - I think it's fairly comprehensive at this point?

[pHz]

Welcome back Rob
EnergyXT has had PDC of some sort for a few months now - I think it's fairly comprehensive at this point?

if thats true i stand corrected (and vindicated in my comment about jorgen i guess) ... i dont remember it having PDC and a quick look at www.xt-hq.com didnt reveal any mention of it so i made an assumption ...

... oh well ...

slainte rob

[griels]

Welcome back Rob
EnergyXT has had PDC of some sort for a few months now - I think it's fairly comprehensive at this point?

if thats true i stand corrected (and vindicated in my comment about jorgen i guess) ... i dont remember it having PDC and a quick look at www.xt-hq.com didnt reveal any mention of it so i made an assumption ...

... oh well ...

slainte rob

Hmm.. I didn't spot any incorrect assumptions, was only answering the questions m'lud

.. it seems to be pretty well accepted that implementing a TOTALLY foolproof PDC system means limiting the hosts routing options in some way (check all gols posts in the myriad 'why doesnt fl-studio have PDC ?' threads for detailed explanations) ... and thats WITHOUT factoring in a modular environment ...

Indeed. If you have a feedback loop containing plugins with latency, there's no way you can compensate for it (unless you have some sort of quantum computer with a flux capacitor).

[Lunch Money]

fair enough pdxindy. I don't think it's a real "problem" either-- I guess I'm used to choosing terminology to pacify certain elements, but it's not a "problem". If I hadn't cross-posted with pHz, who summed it up more clearly than I could, but hit "submit" first, I probably wouldn't have used the word.

[headquest]

Damn! Now look what I've gone and done

I'm sorry for asking the disingenious question, but it momentarily annoyed me to see the way Greg responded to christianmusicmaker, and continue his (fairly one-sided) fanatical promotion of Tracktion, even though it is by now quite clear that no name will almost certainly be better served by the superior alternatives recommended by other forum poster.

A bit of respect for others' opinions all around, eh?

[pHz]

A bit of respect for others' opinions all around, eh?

always ... as well you know ...

slainte rob

[pdxindy]

fair enough pdxindy. I don't think it's a real "problem" either-- I guess I'm used to choosing terminology to pacify certain elements, but it's not a "problem". If I hadn't cross-posted with pHz, who summed it up more clearly than I could, but hit "submit" first, I probably wouldn't have used the word.

Not trying to be critical of you... just the word problem gives the impression of... well... problem, when racks are anything but a problem... they are a flexible and powerful feature deserving of praise, not criticism because they reveal a limitation that other software would not reveal because they simply cannot do what the racks do.

[pdxindy]

Damn! Now look what I've gone and done

...even though it is by now quite clear that no name will almost certainly be better served by the superior alternatives recommended by other forum poster.

according to feature lists, I would be better served by other software than I use. (and not just for audio)

I think the best advice possible is to encourage no name to download demos on another machine, burn to CD, and try them out on his machine.

I have spent thousands of dollars over the years (no more) based on features and opinions, only to find it did not work for me.

I have a very fast machine now, but on my old box, Tracktion was clearly easier on the CPU (am on Mac) than anything else I tried and let me run some vst's that no other host would.

and workflow is something that is not revealed by feature lists. Tracktion clearly has less features than Cubase, but I enjoyed it more right from the start and feel more creative. I get more music actually played and recorded in Tracktion than I did in Cubase. Someone else may find the opposite true.

no name should try demos out himself and see what he likes.

[glurgle]

Damn! Now look what I've gone and done

I'm sorry for asking the disingenious question, but it momentarily annoyed me to see the way Greg responded to christianmusicmaker, and continue his (fairly one-sided) fanatical promotion of Tracktion, even though it is by now quite clear that no name will almost certainly be better served by the superior alternatives recommended by other forum poster.

A bit of respect for others' opinions all around, eh?

hmm, it would seem obvious that gregs posts be one sided, they side with his belief that Tracktion should at least be considered as a peer to Sonar/P5/Live and demo'ed. In the same way that your posts would side with your belief that Tracktion could be adequate but Sonar is "superior" and is the best choice.

Don't mind me though, I just think it's fun watching people pretend they haven't got their panties twisted

[headquest]

Don't mind me though, I just think it's fun watching people pretend they haven't got their panties twisted

The funny part is that Sonar is not even my main host . But I am trying to give some fair advice as asked. I agree that no name should try out the demos, but he particularly asked for user feedback.

Specifically he has mentioned Tracktion, Live, Sonar and Audition. As I own and am a registered user of ALL FOUR I am perhaps qualified to answer the question and give some advice as asked.

Pretty much everyone on this forum (especially Greg) knows that Ableton is my first choice host (although I do like Sonar a lot too). But I have advised non name to check out Sonar, because I think it suits the specific requirements he lists better than the others.

So - unlike what often seems to happen here - I am not simply posting in order to try and justify my own purhases or choices! Rather I'm trying to be helpful and give the guy some impartial advice from somebody who knows all the relevant programs.

(but I was wrong to bait Greg, hence the appology )

[glurgle]

So - unlike what often seems to happen here - I am not simply posting in order to try and justify my own purhases or choices! Rather I'm trying to be helpful and give the guy some impartial advice from somebody who knows all the relevant programs. :Wink:

While this definitely influences everybodies thinking to some degree, I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say that LM is a (teensy-bit) evangelical just because he really likes Tracktion, and hasn't had a lot of need for anything else. Not discrediting anybodies opinions by saying so I hope. (FWIW I like energyXT best I just couldn't get past the demo songs in Live (not to mention the price is *way* out my range)