Its built-in to the Sampler.arke wrote:Does Orion have a slicer?
You wouldn't need the SF Player with DW, would you? Surely it plays soundfonts? And I think SimSynth Live and Wasp are very different beasts.arke wrote:The XXL package would have been alot more appealing to me had it only been Sytrus, DW, and the SF player.
I can't really use DirectWave at the moment for soundfonts as it seems to import things like loop points and release times incorrectly. Though given it's a relative newcomer and imports a whole ton of formats there's bound to be a few rough edges at the moment. Also, I should report it rather than complain.BONES wrote: You wouldn't need the SF Player with DW, would you? Surely it plays soundfonts?
It's the only way to play realistic multisamples. For example, stuff with 10 velocity layers, where the modwheel controls vibrato, and each velocity layer is sampled twice for upbows and downbows. When doing work for video games, TV, and movies, the medium of choice is the virtual orchestra, and stuff like Gigastudio 3 and Kontakt 2 are really the only acceptable solutions.The Chase wrote:Who would pay 179 for a sampler? what magic does it do?
Orion Platinum costs $249. FLXXL costs $348. Plus, FL has a video player so you can score in sync to a movie. That's something which Orion objectively does not have, and it could be a make or break feature for some people, so it kinda screws up the comparison. But take it's $35 contribution out of the equation, and the question becomes "Is FLXXL $64 better than Orion?" I don't think you'd be insane if you thought "yes," but "no" is perfectly valid also. I happen to think, personally, that both these applications offer excellent power and VFFM, and it's just a matter of which has a more appealing workflow. I prefer FL, but that's just me.BONES wrote:The bottom line however, is that even if you think that XXL is a better package than ORION Platinum, no objective comparison would conclude that it was more than twice as good, yet it costs more than twice as much.
You'd have to deliberately not use the gaggle of generators and effects that come with FL for this comparison to hold water. Otherwise, a strong case can be made for FL.And eXT is a third the price of the entry-level FL and is very full-featured. Again, any objective comparison couldn't conclude that FL was 3 times better than eXT, where both are accompanied by a coterie of good freeware.
You're comitting a bit of hypocrisy here. The FL product line was only split when the ability to record audio was added (a $50 upgrade, btw). So if it's OK for ORION to do that, I fail to see how it's somehow wrong for FL to do that. And eXT came with recording from the get-go. If there's something else that prompts your interpretation of IL's product upgrade policy, I don't know what you're referring to.If you want to argue over updates, just look at the change logs for each product. eXT has never had an update that wasn't free and ORION has only ever had one, when audio recording was added. When FL got similar functionality they changed their product line-up so you had to pay to get it in FL as well. So Imageline's "lifetime free updates" is really a lot more along the lines of "lifetime free updates of some things but we'll make you pay through the nose for other things that competitive products don't charge for".
You have buy the Video plug tho, with the XXL bundle, and you still dont get Wasp XT for that price. (the do throw in the free, if a bit diff, MDA DX-10 thoninjadroid wrote: Orion Platinum costs $249. FLXXL costs $348. Plus, FL has a video player so you can score in sync to a movie. That's something which Orion objectively does not have, and it could be a make or break feature for some people, so it kinda screws up the comparison.
)See above. If you buy all the components in FLXXL separately, but add in Wasp and remove the Video Player, you'll spend the same amount of money.Kriminal wrote: You have buy the Video plug tho, with the XXL bundle, and you still dont get Wasp XT for that price. (the do throw in the free, if a bit diff, MDA DX-10 tho
ORION costs $149 [download] and is not in any way, shape or form aimed at pleasing composers doing film score work, just as I'm sure that whatever dodgy video player FL has would in no way, shape or form please someone who really does film score work. For a start, they would proably get it in HD res minimum. Can your PC play back HD in real-time? I doubt it could play back NTSC in real-time without dropping frames.ninjadroid wrote:Orion Platinum costs $249. FLXXL costs $348. Plus, FL has a video player so you can score in sync to a movie.
Why? I think eXT's sampler is very handy, if a little unconventional, and v2 will include an FM synth. OTOH, the free stuff that comes with FL is, by and large, laughable and easily bettered by said freeware.You'd have to deliberately not use the gaggle of generators and effects that come with FL for this comparison to hold water. Otherwise, a strong case can be made for FL.
I was just pointing out that ORION users and FL users paid the same amount to get audio recording, just so that you wouldn't come back and say that ORION users had to pay for an upgrade and FL users never do. What I was mostly referring to is the fact that even though FL is maybe two years older than ORION it is almost a full version behind - you guys recently got v6 and we're about to get v7.You're comitting a bit of hypocrisy here. The FL product line was only split when the ability to record audio was added (a $50 upgrade, btw). So if it's OK for ORION to do that, I fail to see how it's somehow wrong for FL to do that.
I don't begrudge them making money, I just think that "lifetime free upgrades" is something of a marketing con.And eXT came with recording from the get-go. If there's something else that prompts your interpretation of IL's product upgrade policy, I don't know what you're referring to.
Well its nice that you can interpret it that way, although the price of Sytrus is certainly in NI territory, but that is certainly not what he wrote.I don't believe the OP was asking why FL was such a good bargain compared to ORION --- it's not. It's six of one, half a dozen of the other. I think he was asking why FL is such a good bargain compared to, say, anything from the Native Instruments product line.
Well, version numbers aren't really indicative of how far something is, just how whoever counts their stuff. I believe there were alot of version 1.x and version 2.x FruityLoops, so I think it should rather count the amount of updates, and how large they were.BONES wrote:What I was mostly referring to is the fact that even though FL is maybe two years older than ORION it is almost a full version behind - you guys recently got v6 and we're about to get v7.
It's called scratch video, and it's used all the time.BONES wrote:Can your PC play back HD in real-time? I doubt it could play back NTSC in real-time without dropping frames.
Well, then we have a standstill. Clearly, I think the built in FL tools are great --- and so do many other people. However, you think the Synthedit brigade is superior. Rather than challenge you on this, I'm curious: what standard of proof would you like to use to establish superiority?Why? I think eXT's sampler is very handy, if a little unconventional, and v2 will include an FM synth. OTOH, the free stuff that comes with FL is, by and large, laughable and easily bettered by said freeware.
LOL! Versioning systems are arbitrary. This comparison is meaningless.What I was mostly referring to is the fact that even though FL is maybe two years older than ORION it is almost a full version behind - you guys recently got v6 and we're about to get v7.
Do you have any grounds for this? It seems you haven't effectively argued my refutation to this thesis. Nor do I think you've presented a sound refutation of FL's high VFFM in general.I don't begrudge them making money, I just think that "lifetime free upgrades" is something of a marketing con.
This isn't true. The cost of FM7, the competition to Sytrus from NI, is $289, vs. $179 for Sytrus. And if you get it as part of XXL, it costs around $75.Well its nice that you can interpret it that way, although the price of Sytrus is certainly in NI territory, but that is certainly not what he wrote.
Yeah and we all know ORION leaves a bigger icon on your desktop, and has bigger DLLs.you guys recently got v6 and we're about to get v7
tony tony chopper wrote:In case you still haven't understood BONES:
-ORION has all of the features of other sequencers, for 1/10th of the total price of all sequencers together. If a sequencer has a feature that ORION has too, it's because it copied ORION. In fact, ORION is like the chuck norris of sequencers. ORION came before computers, and computers were only created for ORION to be given to the human race.
-only BONES can objectively compare sequencers, because he owns the ancient knowledge of sequencing. Humans can only subjectively compare, except chuk norris, who doesn't care, and BONES.
-if an app has a feature that ORION doesn't, and it's REALLY too obvious to deny it, it can only mean that:
a) ORION isn't made for this
b) it doesn't matter, because BONES doesn't need it, and ORION does everything he needs
-WASP is the ultimate synthesizer, and nothing will ever match it. WASP in FL, however, is total crap.
Yeah and we all know ORION leaves a bigger icon on your desktop, and has bigger DLLs.you guys recently got v6 and we're about to get v7
Note to self: call next release version 9, so we'll be way ahead others.
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